Whereabouts Unknown: Gen6

My perfect 4 runner

2024 Trd pro body
4.7 v8 out of the 2006 LC
Supercharger
6speed auto
Front solid axle out of a 2006 LC

 

So the tricky thing is under the legacy US franchise dealer model, "sold" is referred to when a unit is delivered to a dealer. A car can be considered a sale when it is still on the lot waiting for a buyer. A sale does not necessarily mean a customer, retail or fleet, paid the dealer and took possession of the vehicle. In this case, all the Tacos on dealer lots are all counted toward the sale number even though they are not sold to end customer yet. They are not titled to anyone, but as far as Toyota is concerned it is a sale.

Even in cases like Ford or Nissan where retail customer can custom order a vehicle, the "sale" is counted when dealership takes delivery, not when the end customer takes possession since the retail customer can always walk away and the dealer can then sell it to anyone else that wants it.

 

Yah it makes sense because as soon as it leaves the factory, Toyota is no longer in control of the product. As any product shipped from a manufacturer to a distributor it's counted on the books as goods sold.

I wonder how the 4runner sales will be next year. Will soccer moms come the rescue as usual?

 

probably, they trade in every few years pretty reliably. FFS they were paying 20k-40k over MSRP on Tellurides and Palisades a few years back.

Of course the rush to get the last of 5th will cause a dip initially due to the FOMO buying crowd(like me) in the last several years, but perhaps the excitement of the first new 4Runner in a decade(at least exterior wise) will drive the constant rotation crowd to buy more.

 

once officially posted on toyota's website configurator, vehicles will be available for sale or for allocation and also allocation reserve requests about 2-3 months.

typical model production cycle starts a few months after toyota's FY ends (april 30 is the last day of the fiscal year for toyota) hence all the big finanace deals are in april. tooling change over starts in june/july and production line start ups ususally being aug/sept and deliveries start going out in october via RORO from japan. typical time frame is 2 months travel on RORO (avg is 6 weeks) with best case is november early december on dealer lots.

 

True.

But if the dealers are still buying Tacoma's, then they're moving off the lots.

The 2024 monthly sales numbers above indicate that Tacoma's are moving.

On a related note, the 26% YTD sales slump is largely from dismal Jan, Feb, and March sales......which was directly related to Toyota's part supply issues as they were beginning production of the 4th gen.

 

I was trying to make the point that sales numbers != numbers sold off dealer lots though. Toyota has always been pretty heavy handed with dealers and has more leverage since traditionally Toyotas move quickly, I don't think dealers want to offend Toyota or the regional distributor and risk future allocations of desirable products(GR Corolla, minivans, Rav4 PHEV, etc) by refusing current allocation.

Go by a Toyota dealership near you and you will see Tacos are doing anything but moving off dealer lots.

 

Ah, I see.

The dealers don't want to offend Toyota's delicate sensibilities so they'll just buy Tacoma's from them that aren't actually moving.

Got it.

 

It was only a few years ago that Toyota dealers were on their knees begging for anything especially Tundras and Tacos. Today dealers are still scrambling to get allocations of the PHEV and Hybrid vehicles since the public can't get enough of it.

It has always been this way between Toyota and their dealers. In the 90s when the XV10 Camry came out, it was such a wild hit with consumers that Toyota trickled them out to charge as much as they can, even in the early 2000s people were paying over MSRP just to get one, back then an LE Camry were MSRP'ed at close to 40k in 2024 dollars and dealers still couldn't keep them in stock. If you tried to by a J Vin Camry between 1992 and 2001, it was even crazier.

 

Sure. We know this happens.

A larger percentage of popular vehicle are allocated to dealers who move the most product. Not ones where the product just sits there.

 

Since Tacos are, for now, mostly sitting on lots, then the grading curve for moving units gets moved accordingly. If any dealer is moving a lot of Tacos right now, it is very likely they are using lower transaction price to entice buyers and you can bet the nearby dealers would be telling on them to Toyota regional office, or even higher, and Toyota does not take kindly to their dealers who try to undercut other dealers.

 

yes and no… I think… I work for a large volume dealer. My job is inventory manager. I’m the 1st person to touch the cars and I’m also the last person, the one who does the “punching” of cars sold or what some manufacturers call a “1st handover”.

Loaners and demos though technically new cars are sold once as a 1st handover in order to go into loaner/demo status and then when they go back on sale and are indeed sold, I have to do what is called a 2nd handover. Those 2nd HO don’t count towards our sales goals with the manufacturer. They count as a sold unit on our board though for our monthly goals.

but technically yes the dealer buys all the inventory so I guess it’s off the manufacturers books and therefor is “sold”

 

C&D’s review of the Tacoma TRD Pro revealed a soul-crushing 5400lb curb weight, marginal mpg gains over the 2.4T, no gains in towing, less interior storage, and a guarantee that despite how tough you look, for $65k you’ll be staring at the tailgates of every Ranger XLT 2.7 off stoplights:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60555316/2024-toyota-tacoma-hybrid-drive/

Already in hindsight, yet several months before release….a nearly three-ton Gen6 4Runner hybrid seems to make a strong case for using the TTV6 instead, regardless of whether it ticked off your GX focus groups.

 

The Toyota executives are laughing their asses to the bank now that they successfully conned the Bros into buying the most expensive midsize truck ever.

 

Curious that we now have leaked dates, trims, specs, options, colors, production allegedly slated for December, and some people are actually laying down deposits at dealers, yet one detail is still missing….….oh yeah, prices.

There’s a $67k Tacoma parked right now at the dealership down the street from me, so how many monopoly dollars are we looking at for this one? $55k SR5? $70k Platinum?

 

I sat in both the gx550 and the prado j250 “Land Cruiser” in all complete honestly the Land Cruiser felt completely cheap, cheap hard plastic and even the interior both cloth and softext models didn’t feel quality the land Lexus gx550 night and day absolutely felt way more refined and that actually felt like a quality car as a Lexus should

Toyota really fucked up the Land Cruiser and obviously it will never have the build quality of a real Land Cruiser simply because of the costs they should have just made that the 4Runner and called it a day. Now the 4Runner is going to be an even bigger piece of shit and more cheap quality feel than the Land Cruiser (it’s having the same interior of the Tacoma which feels cheap and janky)

and yes I sat in the new 4Runner as well basically a Tacoma or even the new Land Cruiser

 

https://www.4runners.com/threads/tacoma-trd-pro-cost-65-395.38143/page-7#post-669316

 

$45k - SR5
$55k - OR
$65k - PRO/Trailhunter

 

With 67-70k for top Tacos sitting on the lots, no way top 4Runner comes in cheaper.

 

My numbers are an estimate of starting base price for each trim.

Is $67-70k MSRP or with a dealer markup?

 

https://www.truecar.com/new-cars-fo...ma/location-los-angeles-ca/?sort[]=price_desc

 

My 2nd Gen 2015 Tacoma TRD Sport AC is now ten years old (purchased 31 OCT 2014). I paid $30k for it. My Tacoma is in excellent condition and has 129k miles on it. IMO, I would have to be insane to pay $67K for a new Tacoma no matter which trim it is. I am still in shock over these prices.

Good thing I am an old fart because I likely will not need to purchase another vehicle the remainder of my life. It gives me a sick feeling in my stomach for my children and their children.

 

With the Tacoma, it wasn’t just the crazy increase in MSRP’s. When trucks finally showed up at dealers, we also saw the deletion of previously standard features. If you want to “buy back” power seats, a rear slider, or a bed inverter on your Tacoma TRDOR, they’ve got you over a barrel.

Just sizing up what we know of the upcoming the 4Runner trims, it’s pretty obvious they’re planning the same strategy. So, while a Platinum trim will cost an extra kidney, a $45k SR5 might come with peddles.

 

Cheap quality but luxury car prices.

 

i am guessing 65k for a platinum decently optioned out

 

I see PRO's and Trailhunters in there for 65k.

 

But all you 6th gen naysayers want simplicity right?

You don't want all the new tech.

Shouldn't you be embracing the low tech reliability of analog seats?

 

I’m fine with non power seats but not when paying luxury car prices.

 

New tech. Power seats? My Dad’s 1958 Lincoln had power seats and windows. When we “naysayers” talk about tech we mean useless tech like interior lights that fade up and down, and all the nanny stuff. I don’t need every damned function of the car to run through an ECU. And I despise “limp mode.” And an electrical system that’s so twitchy that I have to tip-toe around it to add some accessory lights.

 

And grille shutters. Worst tech ever. Followed by engine stop-start.