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The Inevitable Crash in 4Runner Resale Value

Discussion in 'General 4Runner Talk' started by Singleminded, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. Jan 7, 2021 at 2:06 AM
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    SpartaPanther

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    IMHO, power generation is going to be a HUGE problem for states that thumb their noses at coal, nuclear, natural gas, etc. Even utilizing these sources, where is all this power for EV owners to "just plug in overnight..." going to come from? It's a substantial load and neither the grid or the power generation capabilities are anywhere near ready for it.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2021 at 10:35 AM
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    I think the problem is these averages are misleading. Most of my drives are 12-15 miles and our office just installed 2 charing stations. I could easily do EV for my daily driving. I also have 96,000 miles on my 2016, and it would have been higher if not for reduced travel the past 11 months. that's an "average" of 65 miles per day even with most of my drives under 15 miles, a double peak curve with a pretty wide gap between my typical drives (either very short or very long). I could probably fix this by renting when I need long drives, but the point is that it's not as easy as the average suggests. EV as a solution requires either substantial gains in battery efficiency or substantial changes in how people drive. Probably 1/3 of US drivers could implement EV dd pretty easily, but for probably 1/3 of US drivers it's not a remote possibility. For myself, I could probably split 1 ICE and 1 EV car between me and my wife, but even this would require changing how to use cars daily.

    summary // substantial changes aren't as easy as they sometimes seem.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2021 at 10:36 AM
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    Generation is an issue, but transfer/grid use is maybe a larger issue than that. Fixing the grid will aid implementation of useful technologies.
     
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  4. Jan 7, 2021 at 6:17 PM
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    Generation is not an issue, again NERC and FERC (govt entities) require utilities to have long term planning for generation. This is why for 99.9 percent of the time everyone can go home and turn the lights on. Where electric car charging is going to go in the future is in peak and off peak charging, it’s going to cost a lot more during the day to charge an electric car.

    I know you guys want to argue about this, however I have worked in substations, and currently in power plants for the last 21 years.

    Wind and solar sounds like a great idea however, what you don’t realize is that for every mw of capacity of wind and solar, a base load, and a peak load power plant have to be available to take the load if there is no wind and solar. So why on earth are we building two power plants just to cover wind and solar?

    charging your electric car isn’t going to be a huge load for “the grid”. Everyone has AC compressors, and electric heat/ electric clothes dryers. Charging an electric car isn’t any different than using your AC or running your clothes dryers. Just look to the future to be billed for charging your electric car during the day. Peak and off peak load billing happens in a lot of cities and utilities across the US today. This isn’t a new concept. What will happen is charging at night will shift the nightly drop in load, and it will increase, to a more predictable load, and it will cost less to charge per kwh.

    Generation will never 100 percent be shifted away from fossil fuel plants, either base load or peaking plants. If we had 100 percent renewable, rolling blackouts would be a massive problem. I don’t see the public going for rolling blackouts too long.
     
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