Sold 5th Gen for new Land Cruiser 250

What about reliability? I like the new LC, but this is a massive downgrade in terms of reliability.

 

Hold on... okay. I had to double check what forum I was on. I saw all the posts about gas mileage and was confused for a second there. ;-)

What are you basing that on? I get that the Gen 5 4Runner has an incredible track record of reliability. But it's old. Toyota can't make it forever - It will become less and less relevant. And eventually, sales will slow, dry up... just like the Land Cruiser did. Also, Toyota's gotten pretty good at making cars and trucks. They kinda have a track record as a company making good cars and trucks. Will the first year of 250 have some bugs to work out? Of course. But, because it's a Toyota, it'll have fewer than other manufacturers.

 

What is the basis for that statement?
My 4runner is not any more reliable than my 2006 Camry, my 2008 CRV or my 2010 Sonata. They are all from the same era.
Also, I see no reason why the new LC will be inferior. The 4runner sits below the LC brand in terms of everything. It is built to price, not the LC.

 

Thanks! I see OP has a new account on another forum that sucks for uploading pictures.

 

'mud really is the go-to site for Land Cruisers and actually, most Toyota trucks except 4Runners. Oh, and posting pics is easy. ;-)

 

They removed a couple of "crash plates" to make them fit, but, I have no idea what that really means. Are 37's the new 35's?

 

Yup they want me to upgrade my membership to silver (pay $20 a year) so I can upload as many photos as I want. Everyone/thing these days seems like they want money from you just to make their service/product work. I dont have the ability to edit posts either, unless of course, I want to upgrade my membership. What's worse, I literally do not have the ability to delete my account. Their server is a lot slower than 4runners - navigating the personal profile portion feels like im back in 2007 with how slow the pages load from account detail to privacy, etc.

Yall are just stuck with me

 

Based on the dyno, the ECU does adjust but there is not a lot of gain:
https://www.4runners.com/threads/overland-torque-tune-ott-by-overland-tailor.27827/#post-386895

Based on this post https://www.4runners.com/threads/ov...t-by-overland-tailor.27827/page-3#post-502427 it looks like stock on 91 makes about the same power as tuned on 88

It would be cheaper for me to run a tune than to run 91 all the time (tune would pay for itself in about 7 months) plus I'd still get the benefit of 91 for an occasional tank (towing).

OP: nice ride, I'm sure it is quite an adjustment going from a dinosaur to modern tech.

 

lol insane overreaction from the dude in the ih8 post….rofl

 

I did not intend to infer that the LC will be unreliable, but the reliability will not be the same as the current gen 4Runner. Your other vehicles share the same traits as the T4R, which is simple naturally aspirated engines. Look at what the Tundra is currently going through with issues, and it has been out for three years now.

While I believe that Toyota will iron these issues out, I look at examples such as the 3rd gen Tacoma. While there were some issues with early 3rd gens, we never saw catastrophic failures leading to stop sale orders. Even with a new engine being used.

I may be outdated in my logic, but small turbocharged engines do not belong in larger vehicles regardless of the power output. I get that Toyota is stuck thanks to ridiculous economy and emissions regulations, but we may see the end of Toyota's that can easily squeeze out 300,000+ miles with basic services and heavy usage (Off road and towing etc.).

 

Toyota’s track record for the new models are terrible so far - tundra, GH/TX, Tacoma.

 

I'm with you. After seeing what has happened after 2020 to many manufactures abilities, and the issues with the Tundra, then add all the nanny systems im just glad i got my 2019. The new LC looks pretty nice, and a tempting purchase but it's going to have to be around for a bit before i would feel comfortable for it to be a long term investment.

It's unlikely we will see something like the 5gen 4Runner ever again, so that's kind of sad.

 

EPA will never allow that. Thats why Toyota have to go BMW like design language now for all these new vehicles starting from Tundra -> Sequoia -> GX550 -> Tacoma -> baby Land Cruiser -> (coming soon) 4Runner.

 

Fair enough!
Though I do like small capacity engines with turbos. They have usable power, are easy on gas and in most occasions all the engine one needs in a daily driver.
Now if they are adequate in a heavy 4x4 SUV is only something time will tell.
What I can tell now is that the time for larger capacity NA engines is over, unfortunately.

 

Happened upon a new Land Cruiser when at the local Toyota dealership. Was super nice looking, but I would hope so for the $77k they were asking for it.

With that, congrats to the OP. Great choice, i'm jealous you have one and jealous you can afford one, ha ha.

 

Those guys peaked early with the 100 Series (their "5th gen" equivalent). I'm sure some will go for it, but I expect even more of them to dislike the LC250 than on this site.

Maybe it's the interface and the cars I've seen, but it just seems like a more old fashioned place.

 

Agreed. However they should do something for the user experience. It’s god awful with so many ads and popups.

 

4runners aren't perfect but Toyota has been slipping with recent cars and it's hard to believe that a new and much more complex (turbo, hybrid, etc) model will be as dependable over the long haul. Also, if you think the new LC isn't built to a price I think you're kidding yourself. No offense intended.

 

None taken!
I honestly don't even consider it a proper LC, which it is not. Toyota can call it whatever it wants.
But it is most definitely a better built product than the 4runner.

 

I managed to get banned within a few hours of being a new member hahahaha. I called the forum leader a communist dictator for not allowing me to delete my profile or post more than 3 photos per post

 

Have you been watching the news lately? Toyota has been having quite a few issues.

 

Is it??? Idk about that tbh. Based on the videos of the 1958 looks like it might be more plastic and other cheaper interior plastics than the 5th gen.

 

That’s too bad. You need to get a new account. All the best LC info is in that forum.

 

To me, the new LC250 joins a long line of vehicles that in their hay day, were great wheelers.
Names like Blazer, Bronco, Grand Cherokee, Pathfinder, Land Rover and Toyota Land Cruiser, are but a shell of what they used to be.
And yes, this could include our beloved 4-Runner.
Not a fan of the looks or drivetrain of the 250.

I'm glad that I have the last true (IMO) 2-door Jeep, the TJ. I just can't get past the Italian flair that the 4-door JK, JL and JT have become.

Now, if manufacturers brought back the K5, EB, Wagoneer, Patrol, LR, FJ-40 and the first gen 4R, that would be a lineup to chose from.

 

What I see as well. Not tough built like a 4runner. Especially the powertrain dept.

 

So, don't go there.

 

The LC250 is basically a 4Runner with a full-time 4wd transfer case. I won't be buying one, but that's only because I've decided to try and get 500k on my 5th gen. I have a long way to go.

 

The 4runner is not built tough. It rattles, creaks, has abmysal paint quality, tin can sheet metal. Poor plastic quality.
My 4runner has aged just like any other Japanese car I owe/owned from that era. It needs things to be done every now and then to make it run in tip top shape.

 

You could be true. It is after all a budget LC. I haven't seen it in person or sat in one.
But the old LC150 aka Prado was leaps and bound above the 4runner in every department.
Maybe Toyota cheaped out with this one.

 

It is doable. The body is likely to give up before the engine. Though it will take a lot of proactive maintenance to get there.