New Land Cruiser - Meh

I think this was the 6th gen 4Runner think about it current 5th gen is smaller engine version of gx460 this is the prado which is literally the 4Runner in other parts of the globe, the timing when they announced the lc would be back was about a year to a year and a half ago right when the 6tfh gen was slated to come out im sure they crunched some numbers and were like oh fuck we can make a lot more money by calling this a Land Cruiser instead of 6th gen 4Runner but they fucked themselves because the base model starts in the mid 50s there will be no where to price the 4Runner the 6th gen was supposed to start in the mid 50s

 

Huh?

Where did anyone ever say that the sixth gen 4Runner would be priced starting in the mid 50s? Do you really think the base price was going to jump $15,000?

 

No but they jacked up the price because its now a “Land Cruiser” instead of a 4Runner and yea Toyota probably thinks that name is worth another 10k or so
If they bring out the 6th gen it’s going to have to look insanely vastly different but they’re going to have to price it a lot lower without making compete even though now they’re in the same class good luck to them trying to make a base model 6th gen starting in the mid 30s won’t happen unless they cut corners like a Mofo pricing it in mid 40s imo is flirting too close with lc territory unless Toyota purposefully limits the quality so the stealerships will gouge the shit out of it forcing you into a 4Runner

 

The tundra starts for $10,000 more than the Tacoma. Why does there need to be a $20,000 gap between the 4Runner and the Land Cruiser?

And, what if The 6th gen ends up being a little bit smaller and more utilitarian and starts in the upper 30s or lower 40s?

The fact that it's starting in the mid 50s makes me really think that the 4Runner is going to come back for a 6th gen. Why would Toyota throw away all future sales of lower trim 4Runners?

There's currently a $15,000-ish gap between the starting price of the 4Runner and the Land Cruiser. Do you think they're just going to say f*** off to everybody who wants to buy a $40-55K 4×4?

 

the current 2023 base model 4Runner per Toyotas official website states the 2023 base model starts at 40,100 so you can safely say 6th gen which is at least two years out it comes (2025 being earliest) with inflation and looking at historical price hikes of new gens we can assume it will be starting at 43k (what I predict) that only puts you 10k or less from the base model lc. If you’re already going to spend 700 to 1100 on that car note 8 to 10k is what another 175 dollars? I would pay that extra 175 to get into an lc and the pricing isn’t the only issue but what exactly can they do to the 4Runner now? Make it a 2 door bronco killer but keep it at 40k msrp? The new lc looks like it can be a 6th gen 4Runner imo they should have kept the 4Runner name and introduced a 2 door fj cruiser type of vehicle and call that a fj or lc

 

To go from a starting price of low 40s to mid 50s would be a massive jump for a replacement.

 

FWIW, David from Automotive Press.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gDt94iVMlE

 

I waited for the 6th Gen but finally pulled the plug on a 22.
No way am taking a hit when the latest 6th Gen comes out in a few years from now.

 

Are you talking about the LC reveal vid from toyota? I saw it too. They were saying all the right things from a design philosophy point of view. In fact most of his points were almost exactly what I’d be asking for. Definitely like. Not sure how big it will look and feel in real life. Hopefully not too big.

Assuming they keep the 4runner around, hopefully they approach it the same way from a design purpose standpoint.

 

Anyone want to take bets these are vaporware with huge market adjustments?

 

I’m really liking the basic model with cloth seats. Would be great to option that with the available sway bar disconnect. Wow, this seems like there’s a lot of potential!

 

The new "Land Cruiser" has a whopping 8.3 inches of ground clearance. That's 1.3 inches less than the current 4Runner 4x4 and .7 inches less than the current 4Runner 4x2.

And it's hybrid only.

Standard heated seats and steering wheel so our dainty hands won't catch a chill.

 

So luxury LC is dead and now re-invented as off-road vehicle. The color block design, the locality of promotional pictures, everything says that this LC is off-road vehicle. Does it have rear split gate? I'd give up the roll down rear window for a split gate.

 

I'm disappointed. It looks like a 4R evolved, but the price, lack of manual trans and the addition of the hybrid system are no-go's for me. A 4th gen Tacoma O/R with a manual and a bed cap would tick off more of the boxes for me.

 

Why on earth would they bring back the FJ Cruiser name? Why would Toyota bring back a vehicle for that failed, just because a handful of people like them?

And what the heck is an FJ Cruiser type of vehicle? You want the next 4Runner to be ugly?

Why would they not bring back the Land Cruiser name, which actually has some heritage. And then, also bring back the 4Runner name, which also actually has some heritage??

Why wouldn't they make the new 4Runner smaller like the older 4Runner's were, rather than try some cheesy BS like they did with the FJ Cruiser?

As far as the rest of your post -

So you think the average person would say " well, I can afford a 43,000 vehicle, but the vehicle I really want is 55,000 so I guess I'll just shell out an extra $12,000 that I don't have?"

Lol!

 

Attractiveness is highly subjective and I for one like the FJ Cruiser, especially since it was available with a manual transmission. Even though 2023 is the last year that Toyota will sell the FJ Cruiser (US sales ended in 2014), I'm not sure I would call it a failure after a 17-year production run and monthly US sales that doubled the annual sales of the 100 or the 200 series Land Cruiser. Why they discontinued it in the USA when it was selling 5 to 7 times more units than the 200 series Land Cruiser is anyone's guess.

If Toyota does make the 4Runner smaller, then it would probably be something along the lines of the FJ Cruiser, albeit without its Tonka Truck looks. They could shorten the TNGA-F platform and maybe narrow it a bit now that the new 250 series Land Cruiser has (so far) taken the place of the 4Runner alongside its more powerful and luxurious Lexus counterpart which the 4Runner had previously done. As Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong has pointed out, the 5th gen 4Runner and the Lexus GX 460 shared the same frame. Now that the new Lexus GX and the Land Cruiser 250 will share the same frame and both will be sold in the USA. Is there room for yet another vehicle that will also share the same frame -- and perhaps a very similar body? Of course, all Toyota body-on-frame vehicles will share the new TNGA-F platform, but the new GX and LC250 are nearly identical save the motors and other optional equipment.

The question that I find myself asking is, where does the 4Runner fit in now that the LC250 has taken its place?

 

And yet there are cheaper SR5s (though not as low price as they ought to be anymore). If the new Nissan Z had a turboless $30,000 option then I wouldn't be one to complain, but they bumped it up from a $30,000 vehicle to a $40,000 vehicle and they said they were doing us a favor.

The SR5 is a good platform to build upon. The new Z isn't. I don't dream about it like I did the 370Z. Instead, I dream of the 86/BRZ which, while young, could turn into a good platform.

I don't care about the average being $50,000. If the average price sets the base price of what I really want then I'm hate-buying the cheapest new Corolla next time around. I'll let everyone at the dealer know about it, and I'll complain about it on every Toyota social media outlet. I'm obstinate like that. Toyota can live with making a minuscule profit on their cheapest car instead of making a more hefty profit on a 4Runner trim that they used to sell but stopped selling.

 

Oh crap, I didn't even see this! This is terrible

And yeah, grown-ass men turn into dainty prissy wusses when it comes to vehicles these days. "Look at all that luxury. I like luxury. Luxury makes me feel good." My inner 8 year old that loved playing with toy cars and dreamed about driving the baddest-ass ride around is embarrassed for these grown men bragging about their heated seats and heated steering wheels keeping their little bippies warm. Did their wives know they were marrying such wusses?

I drive a 5th gen. You know what I do when it's 100+ degrees outside? I roll down all of the windows, always the back one, ESPECIALLY the back one, and cruise around with the vent on and my heavy metal playing because I have massive pendulous testicles.

 

Ya so, no split gate and the floor of cargo space is raised because of hybrid battery. As much space as you can get with third row seat folded.

 

Why wouldn't it be something along the lines of an old school 4Runner?

Does anyone besides me remember that the 4Runner used to be smaller? Kind of like how the Land Cruiser used to be smaller, and then it got bigger, and now it's smaller again??

And, that the 4Runner has been around for 40 years, while the FJ Cruiser didn't come out until like 2006 or something?

Why wouldn't we want the next gen 4Runner to be more like the first gen 4Runner? The first gen 4Runner was way cooler than the FJ Cruiser ever was.

 

Yes I do remember that the 4Runner used to be smaller. I bought one new in June 1985. It was essentially a modified Toyota Pickup (this is long before the Tacoma name) with 98 hp carbureted or 114 hp with fuel injection. The following year I traded it in for a turbocharged pickup making a whopping 135 hp!

The current trend seems to be to make vehicles larger -- just look at the new GX compared to the current model. Or the BMW X3 and X5. The current X3 is actually larger than the original X5!

But yes, for the 6th gen 4Runner, why not something narrower and shorter than the new LC250 now that the LC250 has (for now) taken the 4Runner's place as the less powerful counterpart of the GX. My comment about the FJ was not in reference to the body styling but rather the shorter wheelbase and length. That's all the FJ was, a shortened LC Prado / 4Runner with a different body (and a desirable manual transmission on some models).

So yes, why not make the 6th gen about the size of the old 4Runner.

 

If the base price is 55k, then that doesn't leave much room for the 4runner to go up in price without being significantly different. People will just buy the Land Cruiser. Toyota really should either return to 1st gen vibes and get a convertible to set it apart. But the base price of the land cruiser is too high to be Toyota's entry into midsize BOF SUV, the 4runner still has a void to fill.

The thing is, if Toyota wants it to fill that void they cant make it too crazy and make in a convertible or give us a 2 door version. It still has to be practical as an entry BOF SUV. But then we run into the problem that at the high end if the 4runner is a budget LC, how will they justify the more expensive versions of the 4runner if the Land Cruiser is essentially the same thing?

I got the base price 55k thing from TFLTruck's video. In his video he said that they told him it would be mid 50's, so that's why everyone is saying that price.

Another problem with returning to the 1st gen is Toyota doesn't have a vehicle that size anymore. All the vehicles that use the TNGA-f platform are the sizes we've seen with the Tacoma and Land Cruiser. We know how Toyota loves platform sharing above all else

 

Ding, ding, ding!

Yes, no we are talking about the correct vehicle! The first gen 4Runner was a badass little off-roader with the removable top. I think just about everybody on this forum would love something more similar to that.

 

Give it 2 door option too. That would be amazing

 

What if there isn't a 6th gen? They might make the 4runner 5th gen for another 3-5 years?

 

I'd be very happy if this were to happen. Always wanted to own last of its kind.
There simply isn't much to distinguish between 4R and LC capability wise. Either it means a "softer" 4R or demise of the name. Its a shame, but I always wanted to drive a classic

I can already imagine drinking beer on my porch with 4R in driveway, keep complaining how they don't make 'em like this anymore, ask local kids to get off my lawn.

 

This IS the 6th gen 4Runner with boxy sheet metal. I like everything except the power plant complexity and the switches on the console.

 

yeah wtf is that? My old dog can barely get in my 4R there is no way she will be able to get so high up there.

 

Its for the hybrid battery I believe. On non hybrid it’s probably extra storage

 

Is that calculated for the entire lineup, averaged? Can they have one inefficient vehicle and make it up with a bunch of hybrids and whatnot, and still carry on pushing the inefficient vehicle?