I really want a new 4runner but the MPG

I was using toyota.com prices plus all the b/s fees i get hit with when something has a battery. Plus gas is cheaper here..... now if your in CA it would make a huge difference.

No more cars is because of the sight line. The grass gets so tall you can't see traffic when crossing the road in the summer. Dogs ride in the 4runner

I keep my cars/trucks a long time to, i don't think the turbo, battery crap will last.

My 27 year old Tacoma with no repairs, which no one seems to believe. Only fluid changes, timing belt, tires, brakes. The AC still blows cold and never been re-charged. You really think this new stuff will last 27 years?

 

yeah exactly, everyone’s basing their assumptions on “what will last a long time” on outdated information. The vehicles that USED to last a long time no longer have the same powertrain, the only thing original to the old reliable model is the name. 4Runner has had the same powertrain for two decades now, so it’s safe to assume it’ll still last 20-30 years if cared for.

edit: once new redesigned 4 and 6 banger turbo hybrid Tacomas, tundras, highlanders, 4Runners start lasting 20+ years and 300,000+ miles and the powertrain hasn’t changed, THEN we can start talking about how they’re just as reliable. But all those extra computer chips, screens, soy insulated wiring, small displacement under very high pressure and strain, good luck. I don’t have hope, rarely that something gets much more complicated and put under more strain but therefore becomes more reliable. You know why 4Runners last forever? It’s a 4 litre displacement v6 that only makes like 275HP? There’s no strain there, it just chugs along like a tractor

 

I completely agree with that

 

Toyota seems to be going the same way all American manufacturers are. Everyone blames the EPA and the government but i bet Toyotas profit margin is way higher on this new stuff.

People paid more for Toyota because they where reliable take that away and they are no different than Ford, Jeep so there is no point is paying the Toyota premium anymore. I have had Jeep and Ford and they both left a stain on my cement floor and need monthly repairs before ever getting to 100k.

Time will tell.

 

Is this even legal???

 

Where are you? In communist Oregon or California? Wait no. You can’t find 87 in California for $3.939.

 

Vegas

 

Maybe those are the odds and not the price. Well at least the 87 is reasonable. Every car can run on that. I only used 87 in my Mercedes-Benz S550 and nothing happened. Of course I got a new one in every 6 months so didn’t really care.

 

I paid $4.35 a gallon today for Unleaded cheap stuff in Poway, Ca.
Not happy about it, just an observation.

I remember being able to fill up my 1965 VW bug for $5! OK, maybe not a full tank, but a substantial amount of gas!

 

Do you remember having to change the oil every 1500 miles, with the six little nuts holding on that screen it had instead of a filter?

 

Yes I do....and the valves were supposed to be adjusted often. I think my air filter was an oil bath set up?

 

Yes, I think the valve adjustment interval was something like 5k miles and oil bath air filter.

 

My first car was a 67 type III. I had to add balancing the dual Solex carbs with a vacuum gauge.

 

Capitalism. As of now, price gouging is still legal.

 

That’s exactly why I’m pissed the new LC requires premium.

 

Nothing wrong with capitalism, as long as there's competition.

If those prices are current, any intelligent customer can go a few miles down the road and get premium for ~$4.50.

 

"LC"?

 

Landcruiser

 

I did not know that. Screw that.

 

Probably because of the Turbo? Isn't the Land Cruiser using the I4?

 

Same powertrain from the hybrid Taco, same power numbers.

 

I'm sure it'll run just fine with regular. I wouldn't be surprised if premium is required to hit the advertised power numbers, but the average driver would not be able to feel the difference in performance between the two.

 

I would be more concerned about engine knock and pinging with low octane fuel than performance. My second gen Tacoma needs to run 89 in warm weather or else it has a knock that even a reflash from the dealer couldn’t fix.

 

Sounds gimmicky to me. LX570 took premium, LC200 didn't.

 

Yeah, I wonder why they're calling for it only in one of 3 vehicles using the same drivetrain. It's like the 4.6 in the GX VS the Tundra. If the ECU's are programmed differently, that might make sense.

 

Right. I meant to mention that in my earlier post. I think it's the same with the 4.7 in the gx470 versus the 4Runner.

 

Maybe the US should use the same octane rating like everyone else and getting rid of the 87? Make the minimum octane 91 (=95 RON) and problem solved. As long as the price remains the same. I don’t feel like paying $8-$9/gallon European fuel prices.

 

Well, here in the US where It's profit > everything, it doesn't always work that way.
Seems like there's always a thumb on one scale or another.