I don't like it! A three-time 4Runner owner rant

Which V6 though? The second gen 4.0 Tacomas have no issues with power or towing. That’s the engine you should be comparing to a 4Runner not the third gen’s crappy 3.5.

 

All of them.

The 4.0 didn't make much more torque than the 3.5. And, some of the comments on Tacomaworld are comparing them to second gen Taco.

 

Did not finish reading. Got bored

 

It should be noted that T24A was first put in the crossovers like Highlanders and the Lexus NX, RX models, there is a strong parallel where Toyota transplants a unibody crossover engine into their BOF light trucks. It's what it is. 4Runner used to get a better engine option than Tacos(4.7L v8 at one point, later 4.0 over the 3.5 minivan engine) but those days are over.

To this day the 4.0L Tacomas are highly sought after in my area, anything under 100k miles fetch close to or even more than their original MSRP.

 

My 2nd gen Tacoma just turned 200K this morning. I would buy another if I could find a rust free low mileage one.

 

A V6 and a $10k to $12k price cut.

 

That is not true. Modern turbo engines will run at lower RPM's, generally speaking. In other threads, everyone tells me the 4.0 is fine, all you have to do is rev it up.

There are going to be pros and cons of moving to the 6th gen 4Runner, it's a new vehicle with new targets to hit.

 

This has been beat to death elsewhere, but the 4Runner pricing is tracking with inflation almost perfectly, going back, at least, to the 4th Gen.

 

Lower in relation to what? Older turbos? The 1GR-FE?

 

The 1GR makes peak torque at 4400 RPM's. The T24A makes peak torque at 1700. Meaning that it will have much better towing power than the 1GR.

 

What about daily driving?

Is there an electric oil pump on 6th gen's for turbo cooling after the engine is shut off?

 

What do you mean?

I would imagine the improved torque will improve the overall driving experience in everyday driving as well.

I don't think so. This came up in another thread, because (I think) there's something in the manual about letting it idle for a minute if you were driving at high speeds. I'm trying my best to remember the language used. I'm also not sure where I read this and whether or not it's BS.

It seems like it would be smart for them to program the ECU to idle the vehicle for a few seconds, or a minute, if it gets parked after being driven aggressively. But, that's probably not going to fly with emissions regulations. And, it would be potentially unsafe if parked in a garage

 

I’m a lifelong Tundra owner, still driving a 2016 today. My wife drives a 1st year 07 FJ cruiser. She’s ready for a new vehicle we went and test drove an almost new 24 4Runner SR5 base with only 4K miles on it.
We decided to go test drive the 25 redesigned 4Runner and wow what a difference. I have no bias whatsoever because I’ve never owned or driven a 4Runner but I liked the way they both look a lot. The interior on the 5th gen seemed a smidge better in quality but I liked the more modern aggressive look of the 6th gen. Both were base models so neither were loaded with features but the 6th gen had much more modern technology.
The biggest and most noticeable difference between the two models is the engine. I expected the V6 to out perform the 4 but it was a big difference. I was actually surprised and disappointed in the V6. I guess it’s no secret how underwhelming it is especially on the highway. It’s no 5.7 V8 but that little turbo 4 has balls.
What blew my mind was the price was the same for each vehicle. It was a no brainer at that point so we went with the 6th gen.

 

During my test drive of the 6th gen, that turbo was spinning up with very timid acceleration at a slow speed on a flat road.

I've heard the same about idling after the turbo has been engaged although I believe I heard something more like 3 minutes of idle, I wonder if there's a separate turbo temperature gauge somewhere buried in one of the menus or, possibly, through an OBD Port connection.

 

That's what it's designed to do. The turbo is tuned for low end torque and efficiency, not high horsepower.

 

So, in effect, additional idling will likely be necessary with people driving through residential areas to get home and maybe up their driveway as well.

A turbo temp sensor and electric pump set to that thermostat would be something to help longevity.

At least the 6thG doesn't have auto-stop and one of those starters that has a set number of cycles or mileage before it has to be replaced no matter what the actual condition is in.

The fabled cost of ownership might just jump up a bit...

 

Why? Just because it’s spinning doesn't mean it's creating a lot of boost. It spins any time the engine is running. They create more heat when they're being driven hard. That's when it's especially important to cool them down.

 

Gonna catch hell But turbo technology has changed a ton in the last 30 years in regards to applications on passenger cars and drive-ability, Challenging many older assumptions of how bad turbos are.

 

The 25 Pro compared to the 24 Pro is around $13k more. Also, the rear seat in the 25 has a little less room than the 24. For a $57k 25 you don't even get dual climate control . The material is cheaper than the 5th gen too

 

in this thread: 4runner lovers and debaters!!

Long live the 1gzfaes

 

Good conversation and opinions, Dont you think?

 

You're right, they took a $10.5k MSRP increase on the new TRD Pro model, likely as a hedge against future inflation concerns. If you do the other trims, going back to 2008-ish, it's nearly a perfect match with U.S. inflation. The rear seat room and the cheaper materials is a bummer.

 

My 23 was a few dollars over $56k, I built a 25 on the Toyota web site, optioned the same it was just under $70k I've been driving Toyotas since 1992, 7 Tacomas, 8 4runners, 2 Sequoias and 3 RAV4's, this is the first time I have been disappointed in a new model. Although I wasn't impressed with the new Tacoma either.

 

The 1GZ was a V12. You gonna swap one into your 4Runner?

I don't love or hate the 6th gen. I'm fairly indifferent at this point

 

Let's be realistic here, turbos were brought to comply with increasingly unrealistic emissions targets set by bureaucrats in Sacramento and DC, not because owners were clamoring for them, hence why NA engines are becoming endangered species in passenger vehicles. And that's not all, there was looming 2026-2027 emissions targets that car makers were preparing for that would make many current turbo engines too dirty to sell, and if that's not enough, California is still set to ban gas, normal hybrid and some plugin vehicles after 2035 with many of the CARB states looking to do the same. Car makers are just buying time to sell what they can, little consideration is given to what customers really want.

Turbos have come a long way since the 80s but also far, far more complex now a days. Fine when they work, but increasing relying on electronics to keep the older issues at bay and will those electronics be serviceable in 15 years? Who knows.

 

Do thr 4runners have a big fat juicy blow off valve like when you hit the limit it goes whuuuuuutsssddd bwawaaaaaaaatsssss

 

We all know why we're getting small turbo engines.

But, let's be happy about the pros while we're complaining about the cons. Or, at least , let's not pretend that people weren't complaining about power and fuel economy.

 

You can probably get an aftermarket blow off valve for that.

This is my favorite blow off valve sound:

https://youtu.be/hS2NXkZnnvs?si=dWH4VtioPaPku9P1

 

What are people getting on the highway with the T24A, 22 bone stock and 23 after removing the air dam like TFL did?

I'm getting 21mpg when I drive on the freeway so excuse me if I am not impressed. And I have not had need for more power in my 46k ORP so that new ~60k ORP is all yours.

 

We probably won't know what kind of fuel economy the Sixth Gen is going to get in the real world for at least a year. But, people are welcome to speculate.

That's great that yours has enough power for you. I have been able to get by with mine as well. But, I have never heard anyone complain about more power. Also, we represent a very small percentage of the market.