How important is the V6 long term value?

Overall performance will probably be better than the current gen 4Runner in almost every way....except reliability. It's going to be hard to beat the reliability of the current gen and simply using the same drivetrain in the Tacoma and GX means nothing from a reliability standpoint, since its new in those too. Maybe they iron out a few of the issues in the Tacoma before the 4runner lands (heck, hopefully they've ironed out some of the issues in the other vehicles they've used them in but tuning for the Taco/GX/4Runner is likely to be different than those other vehicles).

Probably an unpopular opinion around here but in my mind, a lot of Toyota's reliability comes from their designs being very long in the tooth before they are updated, allows them to work out the kinks and just keep selling the same thing. Everyone else seems to be in constant update mode where its a refresh every 3-4 years and a redesign every 7-8 years which introduces potential issues every refresh).

I think 6th gen resale will be high for a couple years at least because there will be more demand than supply (see: Ford Bronco) and with more power and capability, there will be plenty of demand so the reliability of the drivetrain will be irrelevant (see: Ford Bronco). After a couple years, I think the reliability becomes more established and will play a bigger role in resale value.

 

This is basically what I've been saying. Usable power will be much better. As far as reliability, I'm still hopeful that the 2.4 will be pretty solid. But, it's unproven at this point, so we can only speculate.

I believe the GX will be using the 3.5 turbo from the Tundra.

I don't think this is unpopular at all! A lot of the members here like the 1GR for this exact reason. It's ancient. But, it's regarded as being bulletproof.

 

Are you saying *long term* 6g reliability will be lower than current gen? Or are you saying that reliability will be suspect initially (which is expected) but not later in a few years.

I have to disagree here. They do have some problems when new gens come out. But those are nowhere as bad as other OEMs. And usually when they show up they are fixed now and for future.

What some of the other companies do is just whack a mole when it comes to fixing issues. Battle problems until next gen comes, and then repeat all over. I agree they have longer cycles and that does contribute to *some* higher measure of reliability because they know more about the vehicle. But that isn't all -- they really do place a lot of importance to quality.

 

I don't get it.

Seems like a bunch of people are worried about the 6th gen's long-term reliability.

Yet they have a 5th gen that will last them 20+ years.

So why get rid of the 5th gen for a 6th gen?

And if you are jumping to the next gen, why are you worried about the long-term reliability if you're getting a new vehicle every 5-7 years?

 

I know that poor long-term reliability will affect resale values. Just look at Stellantis.

Personally, I will keep my 5th Gen until the new gen goes through 2-3 years of refinement.

 

I am saying it will be suspect for a few years but eventually it will become a better known quantity whether good or bad. Due to additional complexity in the drivetrain, I think it will be tough for it to match the 5th gen's reliability...but maybe.

 

The 6th gen is not going to be as reliable as the 5th gen no matter what. Even if they introduced a brand new N/A engine in the 6th gen, it wouldn't be as reliable. The 5th gen is a tried and true platform that's essentially been around 20 years now (since it was just an extension of the 4th gen). But it's a dinosaur that needs updating in a rapidly changing environment. If they just kept it the same, it really would be discontinued sometime soon.

To be clear, I'm not to saying the 6th gen won't be reliable. I'm just saying it won't be AS reliable and I'm personally ok with that. I'm sure there will be issues here and there that the anti-change camp will point to and say "I told you so" but that will happen with any new gen. I'm confident Toyota has vetted the 2.4T and Hybrid Max enough that long-term reliability will still surpass almost all of the competition.

 

I remember when I had my 2012 Titan and they came out with the 2nd gen of Titan and they were recalling full engines. The 1st gen crowd was the "i told you so" ones, and the next year after that issue was fixed it's a workhorse again.

I personally love the styling of this gen, but i ain't gonna lie, would be nice to have a 6 or 8 speed tranny and the styling of my Lexus F sport. But these guys that go 2 mph on top boulders don't care about upgrading those things. LOL.

Just like every new thing, presidents, TV/Movie reboots, vehicle generations..........it will be split camps.

 

As someone who's had a lot of experience with turbo 4 cylinder cars over the years and still drives one as his fun daily. I'm not as worried about long reliability as others in this thread, so long as you stay on top of your maintenance, there's no reason these engines can't go 200-300k miles. Now one thing that will go up will be the overall cost of ownership long term when it comes to maintenance as there are just more parts that could fail or need refreshing, especially between 120-150k miles.

Now what I would be worried about will be purchasing these used unless I know for certain that the maintenance was performed on the proper schedule, but that could be said about any vehicle really. The only apprehension I have about reliability would be LSPI (low speed pre-ignition). This issue comes up in the VW world with its EA888 in GTI's primarily and mostly affecting people who never drive their GTI hard. It'll be interesting how Toyota will programming their ECU/TCU, will they focus on it building a lot of low end torque and staying low in the RPM band (like between 1500-2200 RPM), paired with a small turbo that easily spools up at low rpm which can be a recipe for LSPI which will eat up rings and pistons.

I did see that the car care nut did a video on this engine and he's not worried about long term reliability, but does agree that Toyota might have some early growing pains and to wait 8 months before getting one if you don't want to deal with potential early issues. But they've had this engine in a lexus since 2022 and the highlander in 23, so it should be a few years old by the time it shows up in the 6th gen with hopefully, a lot of those gremlins sorted out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqJJ5juYwGg&ab_channel=TheCarCareNut

 

I'm willing to bet mandatory 6 month/5k oil changes to keep your warranty intact. My current vehicle is a turbo 4 and KIA pushes that schedule hard. No big deal to me, as that's what my 6.4 Challenger is.

 

I wouldn't be so sure on that. Toyota is already looking for a 10k service interval with oil on their other turbo engines, including the supra (bwm engine obv), VW does the same with theirs. 10k is the new 5k mile interval.

and with that, you'll still have someone saying they change their oil ever 2 or 3k miles and they do it because its a small cost for peace of mind.

 

I feel like this gets brought up every month. As long as it's well executed a turbo I4 will be fine. After all, a NA V6 has twice as many head gaskets to go wrong, and 2 more additional cylinders and cam shafts to fail. An I4 is a simpler layout than a V6. A V6 isn't a simple layout.

I just wish that they used a cast iron block because it cancels out vibrations better and can handle more pressure. Also hope they don't use those stupid low tension oil rings, they're the reason new engines burn oil. Here's that infamous study.

 

Thanks for pointing that out. I wonder why Toyota is saying 10K on their turbos, but everyone else that I've seen is 5k.

 

Next year I’m more than likely getting a 4 Runner since my son will be getting my 15 Tacoma. He turns 16. I’m excited to see the new 2025. I also love the 4.0L.

 

WOW neat!!! I bet that old GS runs like a scalded dog!

 

It was unreal! I sold it along with my 82GS1100E last week. Some guy in Arizona that restores bikes back to perfection.

That MAY be the one bike I will wish I would have kept but I get tired of bikes kinda quick...

 

To go a different route, I think they will be more valuable due to everything being pushed to electric power. Aren't there mandates in place for several states (7) that by 2035 you will no longer be able to buy gasoline-powered vehicles.

 

The 1GR-FE (single variable cam version/head) has been in service since 2002 and the two variable cam/head since 2009…..I feel pretty confident that the majority of the bugs have been worked out. The 1GR-FE will still be used internationally next year.
I’ll stay on the sidelines and watch the 6th for a few years.
Turbos add a fair amount of complexity and I expect some issues.

 

Agreed, inline engines lend themselves for a more straight forward turbo layout than “V” engines.

 

I had a 79 GS1000E that was a torque monster, I really liked it, but when the 83 Interceptor came out I fell in love with the styling. Not as fast as the GS but to me the prettiest bike ever made. Sold it to get a 05 ST1300 which I liked but the Interceptor will always have my heart, wish I still had it.

 

I believe it's that NEW gas powered vehicles cannot be sold in those states. One may be able to buy them in neighboring states, I'm not exactly sure.

That's ten years from now though, depending on who's in power in the future, I can see that getting rolled back..

Personally, I have no great love for the V6 and would look forward to the new drivetrain. My other car has a turbo and is 16 years old approaching a quarter million miles with no turbo issues. I'm not worried about turbo reliability.

 

Yeah that is a bummer. I doubt it will get rolled back in CA, however. They have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot with stupid laws.
I wonder if hybrid vehicles would be an exception. Toyota is notoriously slow/conservative in being one of the last ones to jump on the EV bandwagon. They must have some heads up on direction those laws are going.

 

Oh man I STILL love those old Hondas! And that is one I have not owned...YET! I have had 14 bikes now....only one in the garage now (Vulcan 1600).

I am not sure what is next!

 

I to owned one back in the late 80s. It was the bike that got me started with street bikes after dirt bikes as a kid. This is what I replaced it with many years later.

 

@Number16 oh man that has to be a friggin blast to ride!

 

They have to be “zero emissions.” But some states are allowing plug in hybrids to continue. We do long road trips (800+ miles in a day) and I do not want to have to stop to recharge. Plug in hybrids would bridge that gap well

 

Cheap bike with a lot of bang - 2009 ninja 650r

thank me later.

looked at putting a turbo on my 08 500r and it still wouldn’t have kept up with the 09’

carbureted turbos are simple but man it’s tough to make real power on them.

 

VW and Ford are both at 10k miles service intervals for oil changes on their turbo engines as well to satiate the warranty requirements. Even though they say in the owner's manual that's only in ideal conditions and not harsh ones. From the blackstone oil tests I've sent in from my Golf R, they think I could get at least 7500k miles on my oil safely when its a mostly highway interval and on ones where I was driving the car pretty hard they think I could go to 6000/6500. I still change it at 5k or after 12 months and I'm curious what my latest sample will look like as it only had around 2500 miles after 13 months, but the car sat for about 5 months as I recovered from a broken leg.


Another reason manufacturers are saying 10k is ok is that it reduces the "cost of ownership", and this is appealing to customers who just dump their vehicles after the warranty is up or who are looking for something inexpensive to maintain. And then dealers can cash in on some expensive used car repairs from less than ideal maintenance or sell folks a new car when they don't want to afford the expensive fix.

 

I'm all done riding street bikes. My last bike was a 2002 Honda CBR 1100XX "Blackbird". I loved that bike more than any of my HD's or Kawasaki KZ. Unfortunately, the Bird' was totaled when I T-boned a whitetail buck on my way to work at 3:45 AM doing over 100 MPH. That was in 2009 & even tho' I still get the itch to ride occasionally, my Camaro SS/RS, 1LE is now my road toy.

 

Yeah, I think hybrid and plug in hybrid are the way to go. It seems like we're skipping that step and jumping right to full EV before hybrids are even super common. I'm happy with the idea of some sort of a hybrid for my next vehicle, but not at all ready for a full EV.

I don't have anything against EV's, but like everyone else, I have doubts about the infrastructure and the range. I don't see a lot of chargers in my area, only at random places where I wouldn't be too long. There's one at the Stop & Shop near me, but I'm only in there maybe 20 minutes max.