End of the gas engine?

Do you understand the difference between EV's and hybrids? A hybrid has a much smaller battery, and also doesn’t require charging from external sources. They get better fuel economy than ICE vehicles and sometimes have more power.

If you want to point out the environmental issues with EV's, that's fine. But, you can't really lump in hybrids, as they're very different.

 

I guess you haven't read the thread then. Battery = bad news. Hybrid = battery. Therefore, hybrid = bad news.

I'll ask you 15 years after you buy one. Good luck.

 

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Ask me In 15 years when you have something worthwhile to say

 

Lead acid starter battery = $100 every 5 years. Fully recycleable. Try again.

 

Lol, are you referring to yourself?

 

It's like he's warning people not to respond to him. And yet, I got suckered in.

 

Jokes on you. Come back in 15 years so he can punk you again

 

What's funny is that I've said a bunch of times, probably on this thread, that we need better batteries. But, I'm the one being accused of not reading the thread.

 

I've been trying to keep up with it somewhat for the entertainment. I went back a few pages to see when it started taking a turn and see it's been zigzagging a while. Funny enough, post from about a month ago also had a picture of a troll. They're certainly popular on this thread I guess

 

Enjoy your Prius-Runner. Bad for the environment. Requires socialist subsidies to exist. Produced with child slave labor. Low resale value due to battery. A product of bad government, climate cult, junk science, lies, corruption, greed, propaganda, and people with the inability to understand these things.

 

This has probably been the longest lasting EV thread I've seen, because it's generally been civil. I've seen good posts from people with different opinions about EV's, and hybrids. It goes off the rails occasionally, but seems to always get back on topic pretty quickly.

Hybrids seem to be much more widely accepted, and I'd be much more likely to buy a hybrid. The battery issue is still there, but it's much less of a concern with a hybrid.

I still hope a better battery will come along. We'll probably have to wait until something more environmentally friendly becomes profitable for people in power before we see that, though.

 

For those of us old enough to remember, we have been waiting for a "better" battery since the oil crisis of the 1970's. I remember a guy who bought a little 3-wheel, canary yellow electric car back then. He actually drove it to work for a few years to try to save the environment and to rid the world of oil back then, despite its insane cost, lack of practicality, etc. Put a little Honda portable camping generator in it and, voila, you have today's hybrid.

Very, very little has changed. "Better" is defined as consumer convenience and likeability, which is the way to further the agenda by making it viewed by more people as more acceptable. Meanwhile, the overall cost to the consumer, cost to the environment, and cost to society as a whole, is disguised to hide the real costs of these jimcracks and ticking time bombs. A better idea would be to focus on a more realistic alternative for anyone serious about "progress" and not buying into the current scam and cult.

Even better than a Prius, drive a 2 cylinder and skip the battery. Try a deux chevaux:

"2-cylinder boxer engine such as the 2CV's ... Because of new emission standards, in 1975, power was reduced from 28 hp to 25 hp. ... design features made the 2CV engine highly reliable; test engines were run at full speed for 1000 hours at a time, equivalent to driving 50,000 mi at full throttle. They also meant that the engine was "sealed for life" ... The engine is very under-stressed and long-lived ..."

There you go. No battery required. No cult. No propaganda. No child slave labor. No toxic waste. No Prius. This is where we are headed (again) only this time the green cult isn't satisfied with 2 cylinders. Now they demand NO cylinders.

Hybrid is a disguise to increase battery acceptance despite the negative overall impacts, as a disguised bridge to the all-electric agenda/cult future. Once you get everyone duped into accepting a battery, it's easier to herd the sheep (force) into all-electric. It's all a scam agenda and a cult driven by politics, greed, power, propaganda, etc. and fueled by well-intentioned and hopeful but easily misled people.

 

I agree with pretty much all of this. I don't personally view hybrids as a gateway drug to full EV's, because there's no way any current EV could support my lifestyle. But, I could drive a hybrid without having to change my lifestyle at all. I could also see an EV as a great second vehicle for running around town.

But, as mentioned above, the current form of batteries just aren't appealing, for several reasons. It seems like there's a rumor every now and then about some new battery technology that's going to change the game, but it never seems to happen.

But, that doesn't mean that hybrids are a bad thing altogether. You said it's all of the disadvantages of gas and electric vehicles. But, it's also the best of both. Instant torque, better fuel economy, and the ability to travel without needing to recharge. Having a battery doesn't negate all of those qualities. It's just one detail that needs improvement.

 

Define great please. There is exactly no net benefit to you, your family, or your grandchildren, or to anyone other than the agenda power brokers, in the overall scheme of things, as outlined in detail in this thread.

 

Great as in you'd never have to put fuel in it, and it would require almost no maintenance. The downside is the battery life, but that's already been discussed to death.

 

And that is somehow great because ... ?

Batteries and electric motors last forever? Replacement = maximum maintenance at extreme cost, unlike an oil change.

 

Because spending money on gas sucks. And pumping gas in winter sucks.

 

So buy into the green agenda instead PLUS you pay more than gas in the long run?

How inconvenient to have to put on a jacket.

 

Who said I'm buying into the green agenda?

And, how do you know the overall long-term cost? There are so many variables, it's absolutely impossible to predict.

 

False. It has all been studied in excruciating detail over many decades and nothing has improved in any way other than consumer convenience. No net benefit at all. The opposite actually. This EV and hybrid stuff is a net negative to you, to society, AND to me by having to pay for your electric or hybrid vehicle with my hard-earned tax dollars subsidizing you, and on and on and on. See post #291 for the true impact, and many many other posts here that you choose to ignore because they are inconvenient truths.

Please exit the socialist-globalist transrealist highway before the world crashes.

 

So, it's all been studied and everything has been known for decades, and yet you keep having to refer to information that was posted here less than 48 hours ago, with no cited source, to back up your point.

OK, whatever.

And, apparently anyone who has an open mind is a socialist-globalist transrealist now. If you had actually read through this thread, as you suggested I needed to do, you'd have seen that I am only in favor of EV's as an option, not a mandate.

I certainly don't have any more time to waste on this conversation right now.

Have a great night!

 

We may get there one day, but not today nor in the next 10 yrs!
And how does one think the Power that would supply electricity to all the home chargers once EV's are the thing? Do you think the solar panels or wind turbines are going to supply enough power?
Also, with battery chargers in homes say in a 200 home subdivition, the power grid will become overloaded and rolling blackouts will occur or you will be restricted on how much power you can take from the grid.....ahhhh such a green world!
One more thing, when they talk everyone into going green, remember fossil fuel..... The last fifteen percent of a 42 gal barrel of oil is classified as other. These — "bottom of the barrel" petrochemical products include thousands of different items, ranging from makeup to medicine.

No thanks on a EV

 

That is correct. This nonsense has been going on since the 1970's oil crisis. I know because I was there. Nothing has changed for the better since then, only worse.

False logic. Those are just recent examples clearly demonstrating that what some people call progress is merely disguising the truth of what actually happens every time someone buys a hybrid or EV. Child slave labor. Enormous environmental impact caused by battery production and disposal for both EV and hybrid. EVs are powered by coal, oil, and natural gas. Plus you expect me to subsidize your EV or hybrid via my tax dollars so you can have the convenience while I pay for it.

Yes, this is where we are as a society folks. This mentality.

 

Thank Brandon for that.

So you do not pay the electric bill? You think EV electricity is free?

You supposedly buy less gas when you drive a "hybrid" but I and everyone else have to pay for your car/truck battery via tax subsidies?

What about the child slave labor? What about the horrible environmental and social impacts of producing and disposing of these jimcracks?

 

The new green deal is about enslavement. In fact practically all government initiatives are ultimately about enslavement. But sadly, indoctrination works, and now many people are sympathetic towards their jailers. If it wasn't so horrific it would be hilarious.

 

Yes, I pay the electric bill. But, it seems like most people end up paying less to charge an EV than they would on gas.

I have never once said that I support subsidizing EV's or hybrids. This is one of the downsides of EV's in their current form.

And this is another huge down side of EV's. And, if you look back, you'll notice that I have consistently said that we need a better power supply or battery.




I'm not sure how pointing out possible benefits to hybrids and EV's automatically lumps me in with the agenda. This is part of the problem in this country. There's no middle ground for some people.

 

Kudos to you @Thatbassguy for putting up a fight. And for what it’s worth you are actually agreeing to a lot of issues discussed here, I don’t get so much resistance you are getting.
Owning an EV personally I agree with you 100%. Yes there is savings in using electricity vs gas for powering your vehicle. I get the initial investment is (or was at the time I bought it) significant over ICE. And not every person gets a direct tax benefit from buying an EV. Some of us are not eligible for any tax credits. So I don’t get this argument about “me paying for your tax subsidy”. If you are talking about subsidies to OeMs, that’s a big can of worm, because it’s not just ev companies get subsidies.

 

One question I do have: if my 200,000-miles-plus Prius battery finally gives up, can I drive it like an ICE? (I don’t own a Prius)