End of the gas engine?

As I get older I see that lots of former conspiracy theoriesare true. There clearly is an agenda behind the destruction of Americas oil and gas industry. As example: The government control of oil drilling leases and production gets some attention, but not enough. It is part of a master plan to weaken America. The enemies of Freedom are continuously chipping away at our Country by every means they can!
We need ICE for civilian freight moving and all our vast military vehicles from trucks to aircraft.. Can you imagine our military strategic oil reserves depleated-oh, I forgot they have been!

 

^ Oil&Gas, food, "healthcare," freedom to think, much less speak, right to protect property, you name it. Oh, and nobody really owns "their" property either. As long as you have to pay taxes on it, your property is essentially in a lien. Stop paying taxes and your property is taken by the gov.

 

The only law involving electric vehicles I would support is ALL energy used to charge them MUST come from wind, solar or nuclear plants. Otherwise it's nothing more than false virtue signaling. Even though a great deal of fossil fuels are needed to produce every part of those energy production methods.

 

And the batteries and car. See post #291. I reposted that in the 6th gen forum when people were talking about how great a "hybrid" 4Runner would be. Hybrid = all of the disadvatages of both electric and gas!

 

We have 3 ICE vehicles, plenty for us to sit on the sidelines and watch how the great EV experiment pans out.

 

Me too. New 2024 4R TRD OR so I'm all set.

I can't wait for the EPA to have to set up Superfund sites to clean up the mess from discarded burned up batteries (they seem to like to burst into flames), toxic waste sites where companies try to recycle them and sites that try to dispose of them, etc. For now they will just hide the mess and lie about it. Post #291 addresses the mess made when people try to make these things. They also have to be disposed of. Giant worn out windmill blades are piling up in huge stacks because nobody can recycle them profitably or dispose of them properly.

When people write ICE all I think of is Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is a whole other disaster like EPA.

 

Fewer and fewer people want a new vehicle with a giant battery. Then those who buy them, including hybrid, will get killed on the trade in or resale later!

This piece on Yapoo News is laughable:

"... the same price decreases that make used EVs affordable make them harder for traditional used car business models to make money on. What’s more, used EVs are more complicated to sell than conventional cars.

One challenge dealers face is that used EV values depend on novel metrics — primarily battery health — that used-car dealers and financers aren’t used to quantifying. That makes it harder to establish their appropriate resale prices, or calculate the risks that financiers take on by lending against a vehicle they might have to repossess.

Another problem is that it takes extra work to combine the $4,000 federal tax credit for used EVs with state and utility incentives into an up-front discount on a vehicle’s purchase price — a step that experts agree makes a big difference for cash-strapped car buyers.

If these barriers aren't resolved, the used EV market could wind up growing slower than its full potential, holding up the EV revolution ..."

So we are subsidizing this crap too! Subsidize it when sold new and then AGAIN when sold used!

Doesn't sound like much of a "revolution" to me unless you mean revolutionary taxation to pay all of the subsidies.

"... the number of used EVs sold in the U.S. grew from 283,000 in 2022 to just under 400,000 in 2023, and are expected to reach nearly 560,000 in 2024."

As people figure out they suck and dump them.

Oh, and it costs more to insure one, especially a new one, because a little fender bender accident can easily total the car due to battery replacement cost. People buying these nightmare battery jobs aren't thinking things through.

 

Yeah, more torque, better fuel economy, what a nightmare.

 

Yep, battery = nightmare. Read the thread. I'll ask you 15 years after you buy one. Good luck.

 

Read what thread? I've already read practically every thread on this forum.

The battery in a hybrid is not as big as the battery in an EV. Toyota has proven that they can be reliable. There are plenty of 200+K mile Priuses out there.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a plug in hybrid if I needed a fuel efficient vehicle for commuting and occasional traveling.

 

Age kills as bad as mileage. Bad for the environment to make, bad for the environment to dispose of, more expensive to insure, wears out, low resale value compared to gas, etc. I'll ask you 15 years after you buy one. Good luck.

 

Do you understand the difference between EV's and hybrids? A hybrid has a much smaller battery, and also doesn’t require charging from external sources. They get better fuel economy than ICE vehicles and sometimes have more power.

If you want to point out the environmental issues with EV's, that's fine. But, you can't really lump in hybrids, as they're very different.

 

I guess you haven't read the thread then. Battery = bad news. Hybrid = battery. Therefore, hybrid = bad news.

I'll ask you 15 years after you buy one. Good luck.

 

It's like arguing with a brick wall.

Ask me In 15 years when you have something worthwhile to say

 

Lead acid starter battery = $100 every 5 years. Fully recycleable. Try again.

 

Lol, are you referring to yourself?

 

It's like he's warning people not to respond to him. And yet, I got suckered in.

 

Jokes on you. Come back in 15 years so he can punk you again

 

What's funny is that I've said a bunch of times, probably on this thread, that we need better batteries. But, I'm the one being accused of not reading the thread.

 

I've been trying to keep up with it somewhat for the entertainment. I went back a few pages to see when it started taking a turn and see it's been zigzagging a while. Funny enough, post from about a month ago also had a picture of a troll. They're certainly popular on this thread I guess

 

Enjoy your Prius-Runner. Bad for the environment. Requires socialist subsidies to exist. Produced with child slave labor. Low resale value due to battery. A product of bad government, climate cult, junk science, lies, corruption, greed, propaganda, and people with the inability to understand these things.

 

This has probably been the longest lasting EV thread I've seen, because it's generally been civil. I've seen good posts from people with different opinions about EV's, and hybrids. It goes off the rails occasionally, but seems to always get back on topic pretty quickly.

Hybrids seem to be much more widely accepted, and I'd be much more likely to buy a hybrid. The battery issue is still there, but it's much less of a concern with a hybrid.

I still hope a better battery will come along. We'll probably have to wait until something more environmentally friendly becomes profitable for people in power before we see that, though.

 

For those of us old enough to remember, we have been waiting for a "better" battery since the oil crisis of the 1970's. I remember a guy who bought a little 3-wheel, canary yellow electric car back then. He actually drove it to work for a few years to try to save the environment and to rid the world of oil back then, despite its insane cost, lack of practicality, etc. Put a little Honda portable camping generator in it and, voila, you have today's hybrid.

Very, very little has changed. "Better" is defined as consumer convenience and likeability, which is the way to further the agenda by making it viewed by more people as more acceptable. Meanwhile, the overall cost to the consumer, cost to the environment, and cost to society as a whole, is disguised to hide the real costs of these jimcracks and ticking time bombs. A better idea would be to focus on a more realistic alternative for anyone serious about "progress" and not buying into the current scam and cult.

Even better than a Prius, drive a 2 cylinder and skip the battery. Try a deux chevaux:

"2-cylinder boxer engine such as the 2CV's ... Because of new emission standards, in 1975, power was reduced from 28 hp to 25 hp. ... design features made the 2CV engine highly reliable; test engines were run at full speed for 1000 hours at a time, equivalent to driving 50,000 mi at full throttle. They also meant that the engine was "sealed for life" ... The engine is very under-stressed and long-lived ..."

There you go. No battery required. No cult. No propaganda. No child slave labor. No toxic waste. No Prius. This is where we are headed (again) only this time the green cult isn't satisfied with 2 cylinders. Now they demand NO cylinders.

Hybrid is a disguise to increase battery acceptance despite the negative overall impacts, as a disguised bridge to the all-electric agenda/cult future. Once you get everyone duped into accepting a battery, it's easier to herd the sheep (force) into all-electric. It's all a scam agenda and a cult driven by politics, greed, power, propaganda, etc. and fueled by well-intentioned and hopeful but easily misled people.

 

I agree with pretty much all of this. I don't personally view hybrids as a gateway drug to full EV's, because there's no way any current EV could support my lifestyle. But, I could drive a hybrid without having to change my lifestyle at all. I could also see an EV as a great second vehicle for running around town.

But, as mentioned above, the current form of batteries just aren't appealing, for several reasons. It seems like there's a rumor every now and then about some new battery technology that's going to change the game, but it never seems to happen.

But, that doesn't mean that hybrids are a bad thing altogether. You said it's all of the disadvantages of gas and electric vehicles. But, it's also the best of both. Instant torque, better fuel economy, and the ability to travel without needing to recharge. Having a battery doesn't negate all of those qualities. It's just one detail that needs improvement.

 

Define great please. There is exactly no net benefit to you, your family, or your grandchildren, or to anyone other than the agenda power brokers, in the overall scheme of things, as outlined in detail in this thread.

 

Great as in you'd never have to put fuel in it, and it would require almost no maintenance. The downside is the battery life, but that's already been discussed to death.

 

And that is somehow great because ... ?

Batteries and electric motors last forever? Replacement = maximum maintenance at extreme cost, unlike an oil change.

 

Because spending money on gas sucks. And pumping gas in winter sucks.