Ceramic coating thought?

as a owner of PPF for sometime now, i beg to differ lol.

 

True, but a good ceramic coat will hold up to some of the light scratches that would ordinarily need to be buffed out. One of the TW guys had it done and I was pretty impressed.

what I'm not sure of is if it makes it harder to get rid of the deeper scratches.

 

people are sooooo misinformed about ceramic coating! it is not a physical barrier unlike PPF is. it is literally just a liquid film that goes over your paint and provides 0 protection from physical contact lmao.

 

So, I'm misinformed because I'm telling people what I saw?

My understanding is that it's a bit harder than clear coat. It sure seemed to help prevent some of the finer scratches we usually get from lighter branches. Obviously it's not going to hold up to a key, or hitting a stiffer branch.

No dog in this fight. I haven't used ceramic or ppf. I'm just repeating what I saw.

 

you can say however you want and that is fine. i am not going to criticize you whatsoever. i just want to make clear to the general population that ceramic coatings do not provide protection against physical contact from objects.

 

Nothing provides total protection from physical contact. Not even PPF.

I am not at all suggesting that a ceramic coating would be scratch proof. What I' saying is that it helped prevent fine scratches, which is what I find in articles about ceramic coatings.

Edit: after more reading, it actually seems as though it depends on the hardness of the specific vehicle's clear coat. Some manufacturers' paint is harder than others, and might not gain any scratch resistance from a ceramic coat. Others might.

Considering that Toyota's paint seems to be on the soft side, I'd imagine a good ceramic coating will actually improve its resistance to scratches.

From one article:

"If you compare the clearcoat’s hardness of the European, and, especially German vehicles, with the Japanese vehicles, you will realize that the German clearcoats are much thicker and harder. Therefore, if you apply a ceramic coating on a Japanese or Korean car, the improvement of scratch resistance properties will be noticeable. If you do the same application on certain BMWs, for example, the difference might be negligible. Of course, my explanation is too general, and the only way to understand how hard is the clearcoat – try polishing it. Key scratching test is not advisable. From our experience, the highest improvement of hardness on a vehicle after ceramic application will be up to 2H. Not more."

https://www.etalon-refinish.com/2020/06/25/ceramic-coatings-from-the-painters-point-of-view/

 

I suspect a stout branch would also do a number.

 

so if i grab a set of keys, tree branch or screwdriver and run it across a layer of ceramic coating then my paint will be fine..?

 

Of course not.

But, your PPF wouldn't save you from a key or screwdriver either.

 

PPF doesn’t make one’s paint bulletproof. i should have stated that clearly yes. however PPF can save your paint from a lot of day to day scenarios. i have $4K+ worth of PPF on my other vehicle and let me just say that i’m happy i paid that amount or my paint would’ve been f*cked by now.

 

yes it would lmfao.
i can drop a couple YouTube videos if you want to see? i have no benefit in lying to anybody.

 

who said anything about arguing..? wtf lol

 

Really? I'd love to see a video of someone actually trying to scratch PPF and not being able to.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/9V3guB6fpAU?feature=shared

https://youtube.com/shorts/jZPDtaqTkqc?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/QB8udI7aAJo?feature=shared

these videos could have been easily found on YouTube btw. and once again i have no benefits in lying to anybody..

 

You must have missed the key words:

Also, the tiny baby scratches in the first video would have buffed out. The guy in the second video wasn't putting any pressure on it whatsoever. And, in the third video, they did in fact scratch it. So, now you'd have to pay to get it removed and reapplied.

I'm not saying it isn't a nice product that provides protection from minor scratches. But, if someone actually tries to scratch it, they will.

 

buffing out paint costs time and money instead of simple hot water as shown in the video..

 

but you know what the point is?
the paint underneath it is unscathed!

 

Why? Watch the video you posted. He's running everything across as gently as possible. If he had really dug in with those tools, the paint underneath would have probably been damaged.

So does paint film.

What does that have to do with anything? I said I'd like to see someone actually try to scratch it, and not be able to. And, none of those video show that happening. Either, they don't try, or they do scratch it.

 

buddy let’s just put it this way. if PPF does become damaged for whatever reason then it can be easily replaced while your actual paint is unscathed. now obviously if i f*cking ram a shovel or pitchfork into the vehicle then that’s a totally DIFFERENT story. just let OP decide on what he/she wants to do. i came on here to give OP my personal suggestions, nothing more and nothing less.

 

Funny, that's what I thought I was doing earlier, until someone claimed that I was misinformed and that what I said wasn't true.

 

i said “people” not “you” not “James” not whatever else. i said “people”

 

i mean sh*t you’d have to be heading towards that sucker at a good amount of speed or so.

 

Oh, so it was just a random statement completely unrelated to the post you were quoting?

The fact is that what I said was true. While it doesn't protect against anything severe, it can improve the clearcoat’s resistance to light scratches. The problem is that the marketing is misleading, advertising way more protection than it can actually provide.

 

What are you doing to your vehicle? I’ve never had PPF on my vehicles and not once have I said, “My paint is f-ed up” outside of off-roading or an actual accident.

 

But what about metaphysical objects?

 

Speed has nothing to do with it.

Gentle branches would probably be fine, but something that is about 1cm in diameter on a healthy tree can exert a decent amount of pressure as you drive past it and it scrapes along the side of your vehicle where you can hear it inside the cabin making a loud noise.

 

Good ol' Turtle wax seems to do just fine and is a lot less expensive.

Cheap insurance.

 

Agree!

 

Lol

 

Are you personally doubting the actual strength of PPF Lol? Because that’s the interpretation that i am seeing.