Breaking in a new 2024 4wd Limited

Oil analysis samples the oil in the sump, not the oil that has circulated through the oil filter before it lubricates the engine. As i said it's normal and if the oil is changed prematurely I would expect breakin metals to be present in the second oil change. The metals will diminish as mileage increases.

 

Engines exploding everywhere because the oil wasn't changed immediately like when people run the recommended oil instead of the internet famed 5/30.

 

While technically true, this is irrelevant as oil constantly circulates through the engine. The oil you sample at the drain have been repeatedly through the filter.

 

They kind of are, with Toyota stated reason: "There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced."

Now, to be fair, there is no guarantee that one oil change would clear all that debris, but it certainly has a good chance to do so.

 

Except that has to do with manufacturing, not because the oil wasn't changed a .0000000000000000007 seconds after it was started for the first time so...they're kinda not.

 

Given a choice, would you rather deal with an early oil change or engine replacement?

 

But is has carried contaminants into the sump and they tend to remain there especially if the engine never sees extended high RPM use where the increased suction would vacuum the sump clean

That's not from oil that has been through the oil filter. The debris is most likely already in the oil passages and no amount of oil changes will remedy that.

 

The damage was done the second it was assembled by scaring surfaces after it was all torqued down. An early oil change wouldn't have helped. Also that's what warranty is for and why you never buy the first could of years of a new model.

 

Gee, even though I have run engines to the red line, I've never had replace an engine that was in good mechanical condition when I got it.

 

We will have to agree to disagree. I presented my case, my data, and my sources. You stated your opinion. Let the rest of the readers decide what to do with their cars.

 

On the way to work I see many exploded 1GRs with owners cursing at the sky that they didn't do the first oil change early. Change your break in gas and air too.

 

Yes breaknin gas the first 50 miles and oil changes every 100 miles, it's cheap insurance!

 

Only Toyota gas though. It has the most moly.

 

To be fair, the kind of benefits I expect to get from an early oil change are well into car life, likely past most people's new car ownership period. I tend to hold on to cars for very long time, passing them to family afterwards.

Your engine will not explode if you don't do an early first oil change, it just won't last as long as it could have. To me, maximizing engine life at a cost of a single oil change makes financial, moral, and environmental sense.

 

David Chao says more is better.

 

It will only make you feel better, your vehicle will last just as long with 10k synthetic oil changes. At least 600k miles on the motor guaranteed

 

Don't forget the blinker fluid change at 500 miles.

 

If we have an engine failure prior to the 600k, where do we submit claims, and do you send someone out for inspection, do you depreciate based on mileage, or pay 100% of the replacement part and labor? Thanks!

 

Don't forget to depreciate the extra $6000 you spent on oil changes every 5000 miles.

 

Sorry my math was flawed. Changing oil every 5000 miles would be 20 oil changes per 100,000 miles or an extra 10 oil changes compared to every 10000 miles. Figure $100 per service and you've spent an extra $1000 every 100,000 miles. That would cost an extra $6000 not $3000 for 600,000 miles.

 

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I'm a fan of the Car Care Nut, he seems to have a lot of good, practical advice. He insists that 10k oil changes are a bad idea. I agree. My first was at 1k, next was at 5k on the odometer and will be 5k every time going forward. I was pretty shocked at how black my oil was at 1k miles. Considering I can do an oil change for less than $50 it's pretty cheap peace of mind. Plus, as another posted, per the manual many of us should be doing it at 5k based on usage (city driving, short trips, towing, off road).

 

Cheap insurance lol

 

The problem with 5000 mile or 10000 mile oil changes for everyone is that one size doesn't fit all. The car care nut works in the Chicago area. Do you think I need to change my oil as often a city city dweller that experiences constant stop and go driving or a driver that drives 5 or 10 minutes on a cold start and then shuts the car down for 8 hours? The answer is a resounding no. I live in a rural area, I seldom drive my car for less than 20 minutes at a time, I don't do a lot of stop and go driving and I shut my car down in the bank and drugstore drive-thru lanes. I NEVER let my car idle when I'm not on it. You want to make your car last longer? Don't let it sit and idle for 15 minutes at a time! That creates more wear on the cam than running the car at 80 miles an hour. And those idling hours don't register as miles!!

Anyone that says that x number of miles is where you should change your oil is full of shit! It all depends on your driving habits!

 

Spending $1000 on unessessary oil changes every 100, 000 miles is cheap?

 

It's less than the cost of two monthly car payments. So, do you get two months longer ownership doing more oil changes? Or, do you do less frequent oil changes and buy vehicles more often?

 

But I won't, that's the problem. I changed my oil in my 2010 Corolla every 10,000 miles and it had 153,000 miles on it when I traded it in. It didn't use a drop of oil and you couldn't hear the engine running unless the air conditioner was on. And anyone that says that you can't tell how good an engine condition is by listening to it has no experience.

What would have been the benefit of an extra $1,500 in oil changes.

You're drinking the Kool-Aid. People whose profit depends on you change your oil more often have got you bamboozled. Like I said there's no magic number! When will you get that through your thick head!

I would like to have that $1,500 to buy other things. Do you have that kind of money to waste?

 

It would have made the world a better place.

I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. I can't afford it with all these extra oil changes. Luckily, I do have $1,500 to waste. That's why I bought a 4x4.