6th Generation thoughts of mountain driving

In truth, it's not a 4runner any longer. The 5th gen IS the last 4runner. What's in a name?

 

Toyota has 25 years experience making hybrids and over a decade with Lithium-ion family battery chemistry without battery fires galore especially with how many are rolling around out there - the only currently foreseeable hybrid issue here is figuring out how you're going to sleep on that cargo floor to begin with! (making a platform?)

 

There is no example of a hybrid out there that lasted 15 years, NONE. Time kills them, not miles. Hybrids make great Taxis and Ubers, rack up 500k miles in 7 years and dump them.

 

I'm referring to the fire comment, hybrids are perfectly safe.

 

That I agree with.

 

955 results here that say otherwise:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...n=off&newSearch=true&searchRadius=0&zip=30308

I know this is the Internet, but you really should stop talking out your ass. This is a place to share information, not fear mongering.

 

Ha! Go buy them

 

Why is it no longer a 4Runner?

Is it not a 4wd BOF SUV?

 

When I look at that, all I can see are these guys (Insane Clown Posse)

 

Excellent question. I'm sure people said the exact same thing about the 2nd, then the 3rd, 4th, 5th.

IMO there's really nothing revolutionary about it other that the hybrid, which is an option. It's not like they got rid of the roll down rear window.

The styling will grow on people. My biggest complaint is the interior, I didn't like it in the Taco and I don't like it here.

 

lol you people dont get it. he's a 5th gen that no matter what will complain/troll about the 6th gen. he cant stay out of the 6th gen forums. every forum has that one person. he has one thread in the 6th gen and its only to bash the 6th gen. only person i have on ignore here

 

Battery replacement also isn’t some big boogie-man, there’s the choice of individual cells vs entire pack, OEM and aftermarket - heck, you can swap out the old NiMH packs for aftermarket Li-Ion for improvements in older Toyota hybrids.

While we won’t see as dramatic gains here, 400,000 miles in a Sienna Hybrid (32 MPG on Fuelly) vs the last gen V6 (20-21 MPG) will save just a smidge under $20,000 at $3/gallon.

Comes with a bulletproof powertrain, no alternator, serpentine belt, etc. to worry about.

I’m not sure there’s an easy way to tell if a given vehicle has the original pack in it but I’m sure there’s at least one somewhere even statistically. The factory battery in the family’s ‘98 Sienna went 14 years and that’s absolutely an anomaly but it happened.

 

I did the same, got old after a while. I think deep down inside he really wants a 6th gen.

 

A NA engine loses 3% per 1000ft elevation, a turbo engine does not. Beyond that, at sea level, the turbo4 makes the same hp and more torque than the outgoing V6 (and it makes torque at a lower rpm to boot). From a performance standpoint, the 4cylinder is going to be much better all around than the V6 (longevity remains to be seen however but unless you're one who keeps vehicles past 200k miles, I doubt it will be a concern).

As for the "how to make it last longer post" half of those apply to EVERY engine and the turbo specific ones applied in the 1990's...it isn't the 1990's anymore.

 

I have a correction to my above post, while the engines are related and share a designation, Toyota is quoted as saying the Tacoma's (and by extension the LC and 4Runner I presume) share only 54% of the engine with the Highlander and I also assume other transverse applications.

Less than I expected but if I wanted to be optimistic I would hope that the extra truck-duty changes are all gains. Worth a read but a pertinent snippet for those short-on-time is that the block and turbo are different but the valvetrain and fuel system are the same with slight differences between different Tacoma engine outputs.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a45954715/2024-toyota-tacoma-engine-explained/

 

I thought the 4runners were going to get the NiMH batteries?

 

The 4runner will get whatever the Tacoma has, which is the NiMH battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS3Lg3qJcnc&t=21s

 

You are correct, the 25 years was for NiMH and hybrid powertrains overall and I mentioned “over a decade” was for those who might have concerns with Lithium ion packs specifically which you’ll find in some other models like the Prius (which uses both) and RAV4 Prime.

 

For the 10 millionth time... these batteries are NOT explosive and there is NO liquid in them.

Its a giant version of whats in your TV remote and flashlight. This is a technology that was invented in 1967. in typical Toyota fashion its already old and well proven.

 

Bingo. Folks who are so hesitant should go read up on the early history of turbo and supercharging. These technologies had there origins not just last century but in fact in the late 1800s! Daimler himself filed some of the earliest patents (mostly positive displacement pumps like the roots) . Much of the early research on supercharging happened in the time around and after WWI when they where trying to use them to make up for power loss aircraft suffered at altitude due to low air pressure.

The idea for the turbo (which at the time they called a turbo-super-charger) came in 1918 when a GE engineer developed an experimental unit for a Liberty V12 airplane engine. The concept was to get the same benefit as a supercharger by making use of energy otherwise lost out of the exhaust (steam turbines where first introduced for ships around 1900-1910 and this is where they got the idea that you could use hot gas flow to generate high speed rotational force, so it was just a matter of developing materials that could tolerate higher speeds and exhaust rather than steam as the input gas) Super- and Turbos where used in racing and in aviation in the interwar years and and a lot of the development that truly made turbos dependable for widespread use was done by General Electric in WWII on the turbos used on big radial aircraft engines in the P-47 fighter, B-17, B-29 etc. (many of them had both turbos AND gear driven superchargers)



Bottom line is forced induction has has been known and experiment with/used for close to 150 years. Its not new, its not revolutionary, its very very refined and mature tech at this point. these guys need to stop crying.

 

I saw one of these v-12s on an original WW1 bomber at the Wright Patterson AF museum. I’m a bit of an aviation geek,but I was taken by surprise when I saw that big ole turbo wheel on a v-12 hung on an airplane made of cloth, wood, and wires lol.

I found it even more surprising that those wheels were constructed exactly like you’d see a hot turbine wheel on a modern jet engine…a bunch of tiny individual blades dovetailed onto a hub/disc. That was pretty wild to see!