6th gen Speculation Thread

Or, maybe Toyota didn't want to put a smaller V6 with even less power into the new Tacoma and 4Runner. Maybe they figured that their customers (most of them) would prefer more power.

 

Sounds nice except for needing a timing belt change at 100K. Better than a turbo replacement though.

 

The Passport is a lighter vehicle so it doesn’t necessarily need as much horsepower as a 4Runner. I’m sure Toyota could have designed a suitable V6 if they wanted to. Instead they went the route of one engine for multiple vehicles. Seems like cost cutting under the guise of environmental regulations to me.

 

I'm thinking the turbo-4 is a more forward-thinking move for Toyota.

They're already putting in the effort to move to a new engine so going this route will give them savings in communal parts, it's ready for more hybrid applications, more flexibility in packaging and if it overshoots emissions/whatever requirements, it means it can stick around longer without Toyota fretting as much with questionable decisions to eek out tiny gains. (not to imply Honda has done/will do that)

 

I agree with this. Except that it's not about horsepower, it's about torque.

No, they couldn't. If they could, they would have done it by now. There's no way they would get the amount of power and potential fuel economy the 2.4T provides out of an N/A V6.

 

Anything’s possible.

 

Every time I see this I laugh and tell myself it has to be a photoshop spoof, but alas....

 

Yeah, the Car and Driver article says the updated Honda V6 should be good until 2030, which I realize isn't that far away. So maybe it's just a stopgap while they develop something for the longer term.

 

I'm not one of those people that need a 4Runner to go to the store so my older Toyotas are just fine for me and I think I will be better off for it. It's amusing how this looks compared to my 1ZZ and 5S engine cars that I think at this point I can replace the engines myself with a wrench, a chain, a tree and a 6 pack.

 

Hood full of spaghetti.
Imagine working on that thing. There’s wires and hoses everywhere. You only need to remove 72 of them to find/change the spark plugs.

 

Although apparently they went back to a conventional oil filter for the 2.4T. Son of a....

 

Nice. I thought those cartridge filters were supposed to save the world with less metal waste? Maybe someone realized that it wasn’t worth the 100x more rags needed to clean up the inevitable mess they made.

 

Seems like a step backwards. I always have paper towels handy when I'm changing the oil, so it didn't really bother me.

 

I disagree. New administration is all but certain to take a hammer to EPA and intend on boosting oil production - so you will have cheap gasoline and less emission and economy mandates. Toyota will be left with unpopular engine configuration while losing truck and 4WD SUV market share to competition. My bet 2028 F-150 lineup will be zero EVs and a whole bunch of V8s.

 

Bring 'em!

 

Not quite, remember that CARB states fought tooth and nail to keep in place the dramatic CAFE raise some years later that BHO put in place in late 2016/early 2017 when DJT's proposal just wanted to freeze the then-current CAFE standard. Whatever action to EPA will be bitterly fougt this time around too. EPA employees are for the most part lifers and now a days they are solidly pro EV.

Not taking sides here, just stating what happened.

 

do you recycle the oil contaminated paper towels or do you toss them into the garbage headed to a landfill?

 

Toyota’s planners would want an engine they could use in many markets, not just the US market and plans are put together far ahead in advance - it’s very tough to predict changes in regulatory direction and it’ll be safer to be ahead of potential regulations than expect to fall short - effectively betting on a number of elections.

spending the money lining up/keeping the supply chain for a V8 that may never be feasible to put in isn’t easy too.

I doubt Ford would be keen on betting so big on the reins of government never changing again. I bet if anything the 5.0 may continue to stick around but the EcoBoost will continue to be their bread-and-butter.

I bet the PowerBoost won’t be leaving either especially with its 7.2 kW party trick.

 

They still make the 1GR for the LC 300, 70, Prado, as well as Fortuner and Hilux for overseas market so clearly they don't know their market as well as you do. You should give them a call and let them know.

 

The new LC/Prado does not have anything but an I4 in any market, but I bet you sure felt you had a “gotcha!” there.

Yes I know the 1GR is still made, the issue is long-term planning and available capacity.

Even if Toyota decided they would like to explore putting the 1GR in every new 4Runner, there likely won’t be enough available capacity to pull that off.

Now that they’d have to build tens of thousands more engines than their supply chain was planned for, (from contracts, suppliers, material sourcing, factory capacity etc) that is a big ship to turn around especially if the 1GR was already being phased out or limited to certain models as it is now.

 

Oh that's right, the full size LC has the 3.5 turbo that's being recalled state side and Tundras/Sequoias are piling up on dealer lots with no takers. So there is that, perhaps you should also give them some advice on how to build engines.

 

I burn my oily rags in the fire pit. Same with traditional oil filters. Then throw the burned/cleaned steel in the recycling.

 

I dump them in the nearest body of water.

 

Ah yes, the natural method.

 

That's pretty much where it's going to end up anyway I figure.

 

There are a lot of homeless encampments near a lot of drainage canals and natural arroyos and streams around where I live, and every time the cops try to clear them out the local do gooders protest and hamper the effort, yet the local homeless shelters and campgrounds have plenty of open spaces because they have pesky rules about drugs and such. Whatever you are throwing into the water is nothing compared to what they dump into the watershed.

But EPA and CARB are cool with the vagrants contaminating water system because reasons. LOL.

 

The prado j250 aka wannabe Land Cruiser comes with a diesel option in Europe

 

I don’t know why you’re bringing up the 3.4 (not 3.5) or my supposed engine design expertise in an exchange about why Toyota can’t easily just bring back the 1GR with a snap of it’s fingers.

If you don’t care to understand the effort of turning a large manufacturing operating on a dime then this chat is beyond you.

But not a 1GR as bigly-smart FourBelugas has been on about.

Those are I4’s as well and I expect Toyota already plans to keep those around for this generation AND planned for them to be used from the start of development of the new platform.