6th gen Speculation Thread

No way!

Just create an SUV version of this in your mind's eye and then get in line to place your order...

 

ready to order

 

Honestly, even if the 4R is just a SUV version of the Tacoma, it will sell like hot bread. The 4th gen TRD OR Taco is a much better looking truck than the 3rd gen.

 

More importantly, this SUV version of the Tacoma born a 6th Gen 4Runner is a much better looking truck than either the 250 or the 550 and it will cost less! The sky is the limit on sales of these!

 

Would be nice to have more than 400W in the 4Runner

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Uh oh! Looks like TFL's 4th gen Taco broke. Not a good look for the 6th gen 4R, but let's keep in mind this a first year model, so let's see if a recall comes from this. But in the meantime, if these happen more often, the 3rd gen Taco and 5th gen 4R values will stay high or maybe even go higher, we'll see...

https://youtu.be/svD7Mx2xius?si=D2IV3Tk1GbIIVCoX

 

On one hand, I'd recommend people to sit out the 4th gen Taco and 6th 4Runner for at least 2 years and ensure the TacoRunner powertrain gets properly sorted out, it is taking Toyota 3 MYs or so on the turbo Tundras and as far as I know the jury is still out on that.

On the other hand I encourage people to dump their 5th/older 4Rs and 3rd gen Tacos as fast as possible so I can get my hands on a pre-20 to do a build on. I am a bit sad that Taco lost its hand operated E Brake. Maybe I should have gotten a 23 with manual while I still could but I do not like that 3.5 V6.

 

Yeah 100%, always wait a couple years so they can fix all the bugs, but I am with you on that, I want a beater 4R to mod and just beat the living shit out of it.

 

It barely looks different to me. The Tundra/Sequoia was a much more drastic improvement.

 

I saw a new sequoia while pulling out of the gas station today. It looked good and smaller than the previous style - it almost looks like what I expected the 6th gen 4runner would be. Took me a minute to figure out what it was

 

need more spy shots and leaks....

 

Maybe somebody could actually pass the thing and get a shot of the front end

 

Apparently production start date is now showing up as September 2024, in some pretty reliable databases.

Should be in dealers by November? Publication date of this info is January 10, 2024.

 

Probably see it by late April or in mid may

 

If that production date holds true and doesn't get pushed back, I would say October-November.

Does it specify Tahara or Guanajuato?

 

Did they ever post what went wrong on the Taco?

 

Hopefully, but Toyota has traditionally held 4R redesigns to vest, until production has started. *Hopefully they've changed this stance.*

Nope, here's the link.

https://www.elementfleet.com/resour...t-startup?make=Toyota&model=4Runner#view-data

Maybe there's others, but at least one of them. Followed this site for years, so really hopeful Toyota doesn't catch on and start hiding this advance info from them.

Another similar website even had info for 2 model years out, but got bought out by some bullshit parent company who removed that advanced info. Arifleet, one of the best (low-key) sites ever for future automotive release dates. It was very accurate, too bad it's sucky now.

Maybe you should PM this guy for more info, hopefully he'll be very forthcoming. Don't say who sent you though (nor spook him into hiding).


He's another firsthand source. He's more active on "Vvvvortex" forum .

Right now I'm driving around in a 4th gen Taco, built in January 2024. Pretty good feel and great boost when you floor it!

 

Good stuff! Thanks for sharing.

 

I test drove one yesterday for shits and giggles. I didn't redline it, but the midrange torque was fabulous! Overall, I was very impressed. If the 6th gen is an SUV version of that, I'll be very tempted!

 

Nah not yet.

I bet it was just the driveshaft coming out of the transfer case. I don't think it's a transfer case issue cuz Andre was able to get it out of 4L to 4H and then 2H.

I'll post the video when they release it.

 

How was the transmission? Most YT reviewers love it.

 

I thought it was good. I didn't specifically notice it, so that probably means it was doing what I wanted it to do.

 

Definitely! Hope that guy answers your questions. He's probably low-key the main source on Gen 6 info, from what I've quietly deduced from "stuff". How? Feel like I'm exposing him, so won't say much.

I've insisted on it being made in Japan, but he's at odds with those expectations. Not only did he see it up close and in person multiple times for testing purposes, he's claimed for a long time that Guanajuato is the source plant. He wasn't the only one either.

https://mexico-now.com/analyst-toyota-4runner-the-suv-likely-to-build-in-guanajuato/

This was around when development probably started, for an earlier release date.

I'll admit I tried to ignore what he said about Mexico, since he doesn't work directly for Toyota, but he recently reiterated that again.

https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/the-new-us-toyota-land-cruiser-aug-1-reveal.9535928/post-116134318

https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/6th-gen-toyota-4runner-finally-breaks-cover.9549466/post-116189845

I noticed how Toyota quietly didn't announce full production switch of the Tacoma to Tmmgt in September 2021, after it was first announced in January 2020 in relation to the 2023 Sequoia production moving to Texas. Toyota just did it on the low, which they've never done and focused 100% on the Sequoia portion. Like they were ashamed of moving the Tacoma to Mexico-only and wanted to slip it on by.

Half of me has been wondering if they're quietly moving production of the 6th gen 4R to Mexico, a move VERY uncharacteristic of their corporate practices of press release+local government speech junket on assembly related changes or additions. The past few weeks since reading his comments, I've uncomfortably realized there's a first time for everything.

Toyota either are keeping Tahara and still studying GJ Mexico. Or, Tahara will be the launch factory in MY 2025, with Mexico being added very lowkey during 2025-26. Or for the very first time ever, Toyota will secretly start in 2024, producing the 6th gen solely in the new factory of Tmmgt alongside the Taco, yet not even announce this production change as they've traditionally done per model.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyota-sequoia-production-goes-san-antonio-2022-replacing-tacoma/

https://pressroom.toyota.com/sequoia-plants-new-roots-in-texas/

The last scenario doesn't make sense, but there's always a first time for everything. The first inkling I had, was from their deliberate omission to hide Texan production of the Tacoma concluding, something they've always held special press releases for.

Believe me, I've been redlining it and thus picks up with speed indeed on the freeways! I've driven 3 generations of Tacoma the past 6 weeks and have to say...the 2GR sucks. Something is just lacking there, that wasn't the case with the 4.0 1GR and new 2.4T. This one unsurprisingly is the quickest, but I do wonder how much extra weight the Gen 6 4R will have over the Tacoma?

 

Early information I obtained from Carmaker1 back in 2021 was that Job 1 for the 6th gen was scheduled at Guanajuato in Jan 2024 at the absolute earliest. Unsurprisingly, that date got pushed back to Sept 2024 as things got delayed. With that pushback, someone else discovered production had been moved to Tahara. That finding is Post #206 on Page 7 in this thread. It corroborates with the info you just shared. Unfortunately I didn't provide a link to where that info was found at the time......but I'm not even sure that link would still exist.

If the 1st run of the 6th gen is still scheduled to happen at Tahara, I agree that Guanajuato could be slowly added to the mix somewhere along the way. It would make sense if Land Cruiser sales take off.

https://www.4runners.com/threads/6th-gen-speculation-thread.20634/page-7

 

One of the many benefits of a hybrid drivetrain.

 

AMD "The Car Care Nut" likes the 4th gen Taco and its drivetrain... he has spoken.

This makes me excited for the 6th gen 4Rhttps://youtu.be/qX6gUJrlyW4?si=uH0bW-Sz2jo-EeAE

 

Update on the TFL Taco:

https://youtu.be/0RTyNLwBHfE?si=8MU-CE1kKGPTqljt

 

flux capacitor as suspected

 

What was it?

 

Basically the ring or whatever engages and disengages the auto 4H in the front diff... so Toyota will replace their front diff completely.

Supposedly Nathan and Andre are saying Toyota is all hands on deck to see if this will be a big problem... I assume it may become a recall if it's found to be a component issue.