6th gen Speculation Thread

Just like Toyota sold Avalons for many years without sabotaging Lexus LS sales, I see no issues with them selling current line of products. Lexus will always have nicer interior, for people that want and can afford to pay will always go for that.

 

It's a mess to the un-initiated.

The LC and GX are brothers. Both share the same body, frame, and drivetrain; but the powertrain differs. LC will be hybrid only from the Grand Highlander while the GX will have a the turbo 6 from the Tundra/Sequoia. Both will have the same full time 4X4 with center lock and rear locker optional. The biggest difference also is that the GX is a lux vehicle just like a BMW... the LC is not, it's a standard Toyota interior, nothing lux about it.

The 6th gen 4R and 4th gen Taco are also brothers. Same body, frame, drivetrain, and will have the same powertrain options. Both have the part time 4X4; I assume the 4R will be the same exact thing with the rear locker offered in the OR and Pro trims.

 

This is what I keep hoping for. Although, that will make it harder not to buy one.

 

The funniest things in these threads are second-guessing Toyota's competence in setting prices and banks' ability to make money on loans.

 

Same here, needs to be smaller and more nimble than our 5th gens. But based on the C&D spy shots, it does indeed looks a little smaller which I like. Our 5th gen drives like a RAM 1500 lol... not complaining, I love that honestly. Also, theoretically, it should be a little lighter because of the turbo 4.

 

We're not 2nd guessing. We're just speculating for fun, until Toyota gives us some concrete looks.

 

In my area the people with the nicest new trucks are all renters. I own my house out right but drive Toyotas and a base trim Ford work truck. If someone drove by they could mistake me for the landscaper since I do my own yard work, while the renters are required by landlords to hire landscapers.

 

I would like the GX just for the motor over the hybrid system in the, uh, "Land Cruiser".

I wonder if there can be a Toyota Prado badge kit for the GX...maybe I am just old fashioned but I would rather be seen in a Toyota than a Lexus if I can help it, I live in an okay area but I do go to nearby towns that are a bit more car-jacky for work.

 

I know. everyone sounds pretty big deal on the internet (including me!). They certainly know what they are doing, one would think.

 

I didn't see anyone saying Toyota doesn't know what they're doing.

I saw (and made) comments about not understanding the pricing of the different models, and the level of market segmentation. Maybe saying it doesn't make sense [to me].

These are two different things.

My guess, for this to be practical/profitable for Toyota, is that these multiple models share enough in common that there is not an excessive cost associated with having multiple models. So there's less downside to any cannibalization of sales.

 

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/car-news-toyota-electric-vehicles

"The Japanese car manufacturer forecast it will have its most profitable year on record due to hybrid sales.
Earnings even hit $30.3billion in the fiscal year ending March.
The success comes after concern about Toyota’s refusal to mirror other manufacturers drive to electric vehicles."

They seem to know what they are doing.

 

I love hybrids. The idea of a hybrid 4R is music to my ears.

Unpopular opinion: I do like the electric humm sounds from hybrids when driving local roads. I hear them all the time here the Rav4 and such.

 

The new tacos are fugly.. as is the new Land Cruiser…

4r better look better than both of these

 

It's probably going to look similar to the Taco.

I think the Landcruiser looks awesome.

 

Idk man this TRD Sport looks fire

 

I think it looks great!

 

Stupid plastic.

 

If my front bumper weren't plastic, it would have been trashed this past summer when it got ripped off in a mud pit. Instead it popped right back into place with minimal damage.

 

Mine got trashed

 

With the plastic gone/cut, now I am less worried than that Jeep

 

Imagine getting the last 4Runner V6 off the assembly line. That would be pretty cool.

 

If you extrapolate a SUV from this photo, and the result is a bit smaller than the Gen5, still made in Japan, with good off-road specs, a price between $45-55K, even with the 4 turbo, I imagine it will crush the 250 or GX. And it would sell like wildfire in Europe with the 2.8l diesel engine.

 

Honestly I think a 4R that looks like the Taco would sell like hot bread... but all seems to point to Mexico assembly though, no more Japan assembly. Also as I've stated before, the 6th gen HAS to be smaller than the 5th gen since the 5th gen is almost as big as the LC/GX. But, in the C&D 6th gen spy photos, the body does look a little smaller than the 5th gen so that's a good thing, we need a lighter and more nimble 4R... which might be the case with the turbo 4 engine.

But either way, this 4th gen Taco looks good idc what anyone says, looks better than 3rd gen.

 

weak styling cues. Front end looks like a melted blob. Contrast that against the new gx. Sharp chiseled looks. Bold well defined shapes

 

Agreed.

 

Yeah, I priced one out on the Lexus site, with sunroof delete, it was a tad under 69k. I'm curious what a similarly optioned Land Cruiser would be priced at. Might make the Lexus even more compelling.

I really am super curious to see what Toyota does with the 4Runner to have it fit in their pricing ladder. Like with a new Tacoma, I'm seeing a lot of people say you might as well just buy the Tundra, by the time you option up. a TRD off-road Premium Tacoma you're now in Tundra territory. My co-worker just picked up a brand new four-door Tundra SR5 with the TRD OR package with a 1K discount from Toyota for 54k

 

what is LC equivalent of LX ovrtrail? 1958?

 

The 5th Gen and the GX470/460 is the same vehicle underneath. Wheelbase is the same and track width would be the same if both have the same spec'd wheels. The body of the 5th gen is ~1.5in wider but the GX body is about 3 inches taller.

The new LC went down market and technically is the new 4runner if keeping with current structure of being a GX twin.
They would have to shorten the Tacoma frame/wheelbase by more than 2 feet to make it smaller than the LC/GX550.

Price wise, I don't think there will be a hierarchy concern.
With the Tacoma starting at $31500 and the 4runner starting at $40705, there is plenty of room before 6th gen hits the ~$55k starting price of the LC.

 

I haven't seen the specifics of the whole model line yet, but I do know the 1958 comes with the rear locker, MTS, and crawl control. Doesn't come with good tires though, so you'd have to add another 1200 bucks or so for that.

I think the main difference in price is going to be how many luxury features do you want. Also, the LC250 is only a 4 cylinder, while you get the TT V6 in the GX.

It seems like a great price at 55k, but if you then have to stack another 10 grand in luxury options on it, I suppose at that point you might as well just get the GX.

 

Body is similar. But power train is different. Also, technically last gen GX was a prado, while as 4R was its own thing? But I do agree size wise they are pretty similar vehicles.