6th gen Speculation Thread

4th gen Taco is wider at the fenders, but the doors are the same width as before. If the new 4R is set to use common front end bodywork as an earlier post had stated, then expect the same widths. Penalty of sharing a "platform" with the Tundra/Sequoia/LX.

You can also check the GX550 specs which are published on Lexus' pressroom website to get an idea of width.

 

So I know the 4-cyl turbo is unpopular as hell here because it won't be as reliable and bulletproof as our 1GR-FEs, but the TFL guys were able to get 24.2 MPG in their TRD OR Taco... that's pretty impressive! This is also without that hideous chin spoiler thing. I wonder how much better the hybrid will do... maybe 27 MPGs? Honestly, I like the idea of this powertrain in the 6th gen 4Runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wfsEnXIK9k&t=467s

 

Scotty has thoughts on the 6th gen 4Runner.

https://youtu.be/-QD8GZju_G0?feature=shared

 

I would rather watch this, it's about the same as Scotty...

https://c.tenor.com/rdkHWmsaP5sAAAAC/tenor.gif

 

What Scotty doesn't understand is that the EPA and just the Feds overall are forcing automakers to switch over to turbo and hybrid vehicles. They have no choice. If it wasn't for this, I am more than positive Toyota would be slapping their N/A V6 and V8 on everything.

 

I love Scotty. Don’t always agree with what he says but his videos always give me chuckles.

 

Don't threaten me with a good time.

With the price of good condition 3rd gen manual 4runners through the roof, buying a lightly used pre-20 TSS-less 5th gen may be the way to go for my next...uh...non-hoarding purchase.

I don't have a hoarding problem, get off my back! You all have too FEW 4Runners.

 

Scotty's my spiritual twin. He loves simple, easy to work on, reliable vehicles and heaps praise at all qualifying brands including Fords and GMs.

He is one of the few long time youtubers who had always been simultaneously recommending Ford Panthers, GM 3800 powered sedans, older F150 and Silverados, and old school toyota 4 cylinder cars since before it was cool to roll in cheap old family cars. He is not everyone's cup of tea but he is rarely wrong.

 

GM 3800, are you kidding me, with its perpetual leaking head gaskets into the intake, my coolant was never full until I tore the top end apart and did a gasket job, like many others had to do.

 

Everytime I watch a Scotty video I expect to see him grab his chest looking like he’s having a heart attack…IMHO the man is just a wee bit over animated

 

That’s exactly what I think! If I knew him I’d ask him to take it a bit slow - maybe all the clicks aren’t worth your health.

 

I totally agree with this. I'm sure a lot of people are glad they offered them on other trims later. But, I thought it was cool for some colors to be exclusive.

I partly agree. I was surprised how much I liked Lime Rush once I saw it in person. And, it was a Smurf Blue PRO parked in front of a dealer in my old neighborhood that really contributed to my decision to get back into a 4Runner.

But, my '03 was Phantom Gray Pearl, and my '19 is MGM, both of which I think look fantastic!

 

I'm kind of in the middle here. I understand why some would rather stick with the old reliable N/A V6. But, I'm also excited about better power and better potential fuel economy. I was pretty sure the '19 would be with me forever. But, I could be swayed if they really nail the 6th gen.

 

If scotty doesn't like it, i want that shit NOW! Take my money!

 

I'm not sure the I-Force Max will get much better mpgs than the standard 4cyl Turbo.

I think the main point of the I-Force Max is to boost power/performance and it might only be available in the uppermost trim(s).

 

and also less emissions

 

It is common knowledge the 3800, the Ford 4.6L 2v modular and 3.0 Vulcan, nothing from Chrysler, were cockroaches of passenger car motors of 90s to early 2000s. They were not fast, or exciting, but they will run to 300k-400k easily when properly taken care of. In my area it is not unusual to see 20 year old buick lesabres still rolling around as daily drivers. You don't see too many other 20 year old domestic sedans like that as commuters here anymore.

There are some people who had a lot of trouble with 5S-FE, 2AZ, 1MZ motors of that era too, does not take away from them being considered durable sedan motors from that same era.

 

I bought a 2000 Chevrolet Impala LS new, baby'ed it for 17 years to about 120,000 miles when I got rid of it. The trans died, under warranty, at 65K and don't get me started about the yellow wire mod we had to do to the ignition switch to stop their continuous replacement.

 

Not sure how I can frame this in terms that you would agree with, but your individual experience with a GM transmission is not representative of the overall reliability reputation of the 3800 engine.

GM made a lot of crappy motors over the years. the 3800 is not one of them. The early 1GR has a lot of problems too, and I am sure one of those who had an early 1GR would say all newer 4runners are disasters waiting to happen.

 

Agreed.

The 3800's were solid, aside from the occasional head gasket. But, Toyota has had head gasket issues with a few motors as well. No reason to write them off.

 

looks like a honda pilot

 

It's a regular hybrid.

I too would be interested in a plug in but I don't think that will be an option until a few more years.

 

Yes, but I'm not so sure that's the main reason for them doing it with their body on frame vehicles. If it was, they'd offer the most popular selling trims (the lower trims) in a hybrid.

Toyota is fine when it comes to CAFE standards since its measured by the entire fleet of vehicles they sell. The Prius alone probably offsets enough emissions for their entire fleet.

The I-Force Max is mainly for hp/torque gains.

 

How come I never come across these new 5th gens sitting on the lot with $6k discounts?

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/4Runner/s/ZounUyOX7G

 

I saw it, doesn't look anything like the C&D spy shots... plus looks much bigger. I think it may be a Nissan.

 

Five lug wheels, not a 4Runner. Every generation of Toyota 4Runner comes with a 6x139. 7 bolt pattern.

 

Is it just me, or does "Trailhunter" and "Overtrail" sound like things one could buy from Temu? Lol

 

This guys 4Runners. Well done sir.