6th gen Speculation Thread

Toyota sold over 100k of 4runners last year, every one of those counts against them in the CAFE calculation. If you believe fuel economy was not a factor in Tacos and 4Runners going to 4 cylinder turbos, I have some beach front property in Nepal that I would like to sell you.

 

Indeed, if the 4 cylinder turbos turn out to be at least as reliable as the 1GR-FE, I'm all for it.

 

Seems like the Canadian government has said the new Taco gets 25 MPG. Unclear if hybrid or non-hybrid though... I assume hybrid? If non-hybrid, that's impressive; because that means the hybrid will probably get like 26-27 MPG... this is starting to look real good for the 6th gen 4R.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/2024-toyota-tacoma-4x4-gets-up-to-25-mpg-in-official-testing

 

As a VW fanboy, I know some guys with 4-cyl turbos have gotten above 200k miles with these VW engines. My 2002 Audi TT was still running strong at 180k miles, but did have to replace regular parts as a part of maintenance like spark plugs, water pump, timing belt, etc. My current 2016 GTI with the 3rd gen EA888 is at 98k and running as strong as when it was new.

Point is, Toyota will not fuck around with reliability. If VW 4-cyl turbos with questionable reliability can do 200k miles with proper maintenance, I am more than positive this Toyota 4-cyl turbo will be as reliable as other N/A Toyota engines. However, as we've seen with the new Tundra, this turbo transition will have a few snags but always happens with first gen automotive things.

 

200k is a very low bar for Toyota engines. Last person I know that wore out a Toyota engine before selling was a Lexus ES300 that died at 360k and she forgot to change oil, a lot.

I understand it is an ask for a turbo motor to be comparable to arguable one of the most reliable motor toyota ever made aside from the 22R, nevertheless here we are, talking about the successor to the 1GR.

 

Fair enough, but let's be real, most original owners won't keep any Toyota anywhere near 200k miles. Most people get bored or just wanna upgrade to the latest and greatest. Except me tho, last N/A V6 of its kind, I'm keeping both my 4R and GTI until they fall apart.

 

Actually, VW went to timing chain for the 3rd gen EA888! I'm just waiting for 100k miles to do the intake valve cleaning (since it's GDI), timing chain, tensioner, water pump, manual transmission fluid, new brake fluid, maybe new motor mounts... maybe a new clutch!

 

No front locker needed.

It will have A-trac

 

The competition with two lockers also have A-Trac equivalents.

 

I installed a steel bumper today. A steel bumper from Toyota will never happen, but a modular design that will not require cutting and chopping will do wonders for Toyota customers.

 

I wonder how much of that translates to “real life”. Turbo vehicles are generally driven a little more spirited by their drivers causing any gains from smaller engine nullified. IIRC new tundra isn’t a huge improvement over old one, mpg wise.

 

It seems Toyota has a number of advanced ICE engines in the works, why do you say they "decided not to"?

https://evrepairmag.com/freezing-ic...mbustion-engines-in-the-ev-age-says-chairman/

https://energycentral.com/c/ec/toyota-develops-internal-combustion-engine-runs-ammonia

https://argun-kazakhstan.com/tpost/43muky80m1-toyota-develops-advanced-internal-combus

 

But the competition has shit reliability. Esp the Broncos, I've snooped around forums and FB groups... some have had their ecoboost engines replaced

 

... Because they are replacing the V6 in multiple models with turbo 4s, instead of a new v6.

What you shared is interesting, but is in a much different time scale than the current turbo 4 or Honda's v6 rollout (if they even prove viable and make it to market).

So maybe I can clarify that I'm speaking in the immediate timeframe.

 

I've honestly just started ignoring that guy. In other threads he goes on and on about how great ATrac is, and how springing for the locker model is a waste pf money, so he's obviously just arguing to argue.

 

I recall he posted a video of a guy with supposedly three points why Atrac is all you need, where the three points consisted of
1: it works
2: Atrac is reserved for top tier off road models
3: it works.

I don't think he gave a follow up after I wondered if it is so reserved for top end models, why it is that the SR5s have them while OR and Pros have them plus lockers.

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but having a front locker is good only if you're not turning, yes? Rear locker makes sense, since they don't turn (steer). Center locker makes sense to distro power 50/50. Front locker makes sense, but only if you're going in a relatively straight line?

 

front locker can be useful when turning if one of your front wheels is off the ground or has no traction.

Center lock is only used on full time 4WD systems and not needed on ORP or Pros.

 

A good news for 6th gen buyers. Test that you might be desperately waiting for. The new disconnected Tacoma on the RTI ramp. Understandably it fell short a good 100 points compared to the Gladiator. But I think it will lead the class, beating the Colorado and the Ranger.

https://youtu.be/g4oymoFNhnM?si=Str9o2EujGSERYBb

 

^It's interesting to note the 4th gen Tacoma with front sway bar disconnected is a few points short of the stock 3rd gen Tacoma with a normal front sway bar. Either the front wheel rate is stiffer or the new front suspension geometry has less travel than before. The latter would be bad news for the 6th gen 4Runner / LC 250. As Edmunds had shown in his video, the front shock motion ratio is reduced (wheels move less per inch of shock travel).

 

This may very well be my first and last post who knows. I’ve had my RAV4 for about three years and late in 2022 started angling for something electric and bigger (3 rows). About that time I came across the Rivian R1S. While waiting on my turn to configure my R1S, I started looking into the 6th Gen 4Runner release date. I like to research and know ALL the ins & outs of any car I purchase. Looking for such insider info led me to posts by Carmaker1 & then eventually this site. I’ve been watching this thread for months (maybe going on a year?). Anyway, I was surfing the Rivian forum the other day and found the picture below.

TL;DR Someone thought it was an R1S test mule, but I thought the taillights looked like the new Land Cruiser and one could make the argue for the new Tacoma taillights as well. I could be totally off here but wanted to see what you all thought! @nimby & @TexasFunRunner you both have WAY more experience in this area so I would love to hear your thoughts.

 

If they getting the same engines and frame as new Tac, probably not much left to test at this point. But of course, from engineer standpoint, testing critical no matter what.

 

It's not a Toyota.
That test mule has independent rear suspension and 5 lugs

 

good to know. I figured it was too good to be true but I still figured I’d ask

 

was just about to post same thing. Maybe a chevy?

 

Looks like the sway bar disconnect (SDM) is being removed from the initial Tacoma OR allocations for whatever speculative reason:

 

I live in the deep south so reduced temps and battery range is rarely a thing. My requirements would be over 300 miles for sure. More like 350. Which the Rivian R1S CAN do with all season tires. I, in the past (at least in my RAV) have regularly taken three hour roads 3-3.5 hr road trips and the Rivian would fit within each of those comfortably. The next gen Land Cruiser and the 4Runner (I’ve also looked at the next gen Lexus GX) will both easily be north of $50K and so if I’m going to spend $55-65K on a vehicle, I’d also like to look at an EV in that space too.

 

Unless you're in Australia, where Toyota offers the 300-series Land Cruiser with a front locker in the top trim.



But no we won't get a locker in the 4th gen Tacoma and 6th gen 4Runner, because they use the carried-over front diff from the current gen.

 

If you have the money, ignore the 6th gen and pounce on this thing.

https://youtu.be/yK6nFymSM8s?si=mx_MPfiet_8CNlM9

 

When I first looked at that picture, the square side-view mirrors are very Land Cruiser-ish, but the body is very Land Rover-ish to me. It looks okay, certainly could've been styled worse.