4runner vs the new Ford bronco

Agree on paper lol

 

They have replacable wheel rings to protect the rims or since beadlocks are not street legal you can order an OEM beadlock conversation kit for the rim

 

Not sure why people are bringing up the FJ. the FJ wasn't much different than a 4runner. And, it definitely wouldn't compete with a Wrangler or new Bronco in stock form. At least, not the previous FJ.

Unless people just want a goofy looking 4runner?


I love the idea of Toyota building something to really compete with the Wrangler. I doubt it will ever happen, though.

Prove me wrong, Toyota.

 

I love Toyota, but let's be real. For strictly off-road capability, a Wrangler is superior.

Aside from sheet metal, the FJ was basically a 4runner with a slightly shorter wheelbase.

 

My wife has 2020 RAV4 XLE Hybrid and we went out of town for 5 days. Came back and battery was dead. Dealer service dept suggested she left lights on. Dealership and Toyota main office also claim they’ve never heard of this issue before

 

I know someone with a 2020 RAV4 XLE (non hybrid) and the same thing happened. Battery died for no apparent reason, only a month or so after getting the car. Took to dealer for repair. Don't recall exactly what they did, but don't think it was much if anything beyond a jump. it hasn't happened in the several months since, however.

But clearly, this should be a "known issue" for the RAV4. Lots of people have complained about it.

 

Did the FJ have the same engine as the 4runner?

 

All I'm saying is that the previous FJ cruiser could not compete with the Wrangler or the new Bronco any more than the current 4runner can, as far as off road chops. Toyota will have to do better if they want to have the top off roader. Right now, the Wrangler and soon the Bronco are in a class of their own.

 

Yes

 

Agree. It would be cool if Toyota decided to go retro with a new FJ Cruiser, similar to what Ford did with the Bronco. Something much closer to the size and capability of the original FJ Land Cruiser. Now THAT would be able to compete with a Wrangler and new Bronco.

I mean, I don't think any Toyota/4Runner/FJ/Land Cruiser fan in the world would have ANY objection to an updated version of this...

 

I love the 4Runner for the fact I can drive across the country in comfort without leaks and wind noise from all the removable things. However, if the new Bronco came with a naturally aspirated 5.0 I would have to seriously consider it. If only Ford would put real engines in all their vehicles and and stop building trucks out of soda cans.

 

Yes. I don’t think the 4Runner can (or should) compete with new Bronco or Wrangler. I’ve driven Jeep Wrangler several times before and hated the handling and noise and very uncomfortable. 4Runner feels much better for me yet Its still highly capable OffRoad when needed.

However if the new 4Runner can’t get half way descent improved mpg’s, better then a 5 speed transmission & a little better Power I might have to bite the bullet and get a Bronco (which I’m almost sure will drive almost as bad as a wrangler and have all the road and wind noise I dislike).

10+ years Toyota!!! Really?!?!?! Shame on you!

 

Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

 

I'll take that turbo 2.7 any day. My brother had an F150 with the 3.5 and there was way more than enough power.

I agree completely about the 4runner. It's capable enough for what I do, and still nice to drive all day.

 

Capability is a little overrated since so few people use vehicles to their “full” capability, including Rubicons. T4R TRD with upgraded tires can handle just about anything you throw at it. The few things that it can’t handle only affect a small percentage of T4R and Wrangler owners. The people that are that serious at off-roading are going to mod the vehicles anyways. The only thing Toyota needs to do is maybe let people factory upgrade the wheels, like the Bronco is doing. I am all in favor of keeping the 4.0L 5 speed, because it has been proven to work. If they want to add an alternative engine/transmission, I would be in favor of that too.

 

The turbos are nice for daily driving and towing something like a boat on the weekends. However, if you need heavy duty work done, the turbos and aluminum fail from my experience.

 

The eco boost engines are not their best you can ask ford mechanics and their are all over youtube where they say they not get the eco boost due to reliability issues. And don't get me started on ev.

 

5sp in the 4Runner has to go, and not only for having 5 gears. The programming is terrible and I'm still not sure what S is supposed to do. All it seems to do is holding on to gears for too long? No improvement in downshift speed or better responsiveness. 2001 CLK430 that I used to have had 5sp that was designed in the 90s and it was miles ahead of the 5sp in the 4runner. I'm sure Toyota can manage to put a 8sp with better programming that is as reliable as the ol 5.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

I agree that the majority of drivers will never do anything beyond what the 4runner is capable of. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that a Wrangler has some advantages.

Aside from that, I'm definitely not a "hard-core" off-roader, but I did manage to wreck the stock skid plates on mine. So, that's a definite weakness.

They already did this with cylinder deactivation. I don't have personal experience with it, but I've heard they tend to be problematic.

Aside from that, a turbo doesn't make a motor inherently unreliable. Just look a Cummins. I realize that's diesel VS gas, but I'm sure a turbo gas motor can be reliable as well.

S mode allows you to select the highest gear the transmission will go into. It's great for towing and running trails.

I do agree that the 5 speed is due for a replacement. I'm sure the 6th gen will have a 6 speed or more.

 

Agreed here, but what Im glad about this current 4runner and why I didnt wait for the next gen is I didnt want anything to do with my off road adventure rig having anything to do with a hybrid drive train. Even toyotas hybrids are only reliably working well for 7-8 years before computer, battery, or transmission issues. Combine that with being out in the back woods and having a thousand more computers and a completly second type of engine to have the chance of a mechanical break.

The next 4runner will be a hybrid but I predict this 5th Gen will be way more popular for the indefinite forseeable future in the resale market for guys wanting to build off road rigs.

 

They switched to the 3.5 because they put the f150 on a diet with an all aluminum bed in the F150 and other goodies to lighten it up for performance and MPGs. This makes the 3.5 ecoboost raptor faster than the 6.0L v8 they did have in there. Personally I think the ecoboost motor is cool for the prospect of making the truck incredibly fast as you can boost them easier and also a closer to 50/50 weight distribution for jumping. Reliability i do not know about in terms of this motor.
Raptor was my second choice besides a 4runner but income and longevity played a factor there.

 

I think the problem is that bigger displacement motors generally consume more fuel. Smaller, more efficient motors lack power. Forced induction allows a small motor to make big motor power when needed, while being more fuel efficient otherwise.

I love the sound of a good V8, too! But, I think they're going to become less and less common as manufacturers get better with forced induction and hybrid setups. And, in a few decades, we'll all be driving electric cars anyway.

 

youll just have to buy the special off grid access pack for that satellite charge for the low low price of $9,999.99 but it comes with a free 3 mo subscription.

 

I am in the same boat with electric vehicles. Once they figure out a way to extend the range, though, they'll be pretty sweet.

 

When I get my Cyber Truck, I’m keeping my 4 Runner for northern adventures where an electric vehicle can’t go yet. But other than that, it’ll be parked, and probably end up as a cool garage find for my grandkids someday.

 

Ecoboost early models the injectors would clog. Around 2017 they introduced port injection to clear that up. Coming form 150 I had a 2.7 and followed the forum. One guy there had 200k on his in 2 years with only recommend maintenance.
The 5.0? Even 2020s have issues with burning oil and other crap.

 

They went with a 3.5L 6 speed auto in the gen 3 Tacoma and imo it sucks. Driving it on the interstate is almost unbearable.

 

My 96 F-150 (302 Windsor) has over 220k on the motor with only the basic upkeep (oil change, air filter, etc.)

 

My 1990 Lx convertable 5.0 mustang stock still ran a 14.8 1/4 mile with 250,000 miles on it. So I can’t knock fords too much.