3 peak mountain

I remember those Tiger Paw commercials with Uni, Roy and Al.
And my old stomping grounds, Pilot Rock Trail.

 

I’ve been running big BFG AT tires on my trucks since the 90’s, without issues, and now have ko3’s (stock size) on my 4runner. Very happy so far in mud, sand, snow and on paved roads.

My only con is they do throw up a lot of road debris, so my rig seems permanently dirty. Somewhat my fault since i purposely seek out shaky roads whenever possible.

 

Uniroyal and BFG are both brands under Michelin. It's all a game for the corporations (what should we call them, "Big Rubber"?)

 

Just like Goodyear and Cooper, etc, etc

It's kind of sad that there's really only a few brands of tires and their subsidiaries.

 

interesting

 

He said the 3 peak snow rating on tires is hogwash and BFG tires suck donkey balls in the snow.
He basically said that over and over for 11 minutes.

 

The Falkens were terrible in the snow in that TFL video.

 

All the 3peak means is that the tire has a higher silica content allowing it to remain pliable and “soft” in freezing conditions…not the design of tread pattern!! Personally I run Baja Boss’s and are terrific in snow, wet and dry

 

Actually, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the silica content. Here's a copy/paste from an article about them:

"When you find the 3PMSF symbol on the side of a tire, it indicates the tires meet certain U.S. Tire Manufacturer Association (USTMA) requirements for severe snow conditions."

Generally, 3PMSF tires are going to have more siping then tires that are not 3PMSF, so, it actually can pertain to the tread pattern.

 

I like the Big Lebowski photo, I had a buddy that was a living breathing Lebowski. Until he didn't anymore....
He was found passed away in his place with 2,000 beer cans laying around.
A really good guy, we have a gravesite for him out at "Man Camp" with some of his ashes his
Ex-wife gave us in a small urn. "RBGravy", a toast to you buddy!

 

A tire earns a "3 Peak Mountain Snowflake" rating when it passes specific tests demonstrating its ability to provide traction in medium-packed snow conditions, meaning it has a special rubber compound that stays flexible in cold temperatures and meets the standards set by the U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association (USTMA) for severe snow conditions; this is indicated by a symbol on the tire sidewall depicting a snowflake inside a three-peaked mountain.

 

Well, now I'm confused..

First it say:

"A tire earns a "3 Peak Mountain Snowflake" rating when it passes specific tests demonstrating its ability to provide traction in medium-packed snow conditions. "

Then it says:

"meaning it has a special rubber compound that stays flexible in cold temperatures and meets the standards set by the U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association (USTMA) for severe snow conditions"

So, if it is only based on the rubber compound, then what are these "specific tests"?

If it is solely based on the rubber compound, then it’s pretty useless. You could make drag slicks with a special rubber compound and they would be absolutely useless in snow.

As I mentioned earlier, the three Peak symbol does not necessarily mean it's going to be a great tire in the snow. One is best off doing their research and choosing a tire based on user ratings.

 

It's because your reading comprehension is poor.


Anyway. Why would I listen to a lecture about snow and tire performance from a SoCal dude sitting in a desert.

 

It’s prob mostly marketing… but I have heard that 3PMS will suffice as “winter” tires in Canada due to them having by law to have winter tires from such month to whatever month??

 

Hahaha… well I’m in Chicago and Baja Boss’s perform extremely well

 

I agree, they do perform well. I'd say almost as well as the older AT3W

 

Thanks for your brilliant contribution.

Not sure what exactly I missed in there, but maybe you could be helpful instead of insulting people.

 

I don't think it's @Thatbassguy that has the "comprehension problem".

 

Since you have question marks I'll answer. They are considered traction tires or a substitute for traction devices in some jurisdictions. It's one of the reasons I run them.

We are required to carry chains from Nov 1 to March 31, or run 3-peak tires in their place, where I live. It's just easier to run 3-peak tires year-round since I want the added traction off road anyway.

 

Did he at least give you a towel?

 

No, don't need one. I'll need tires soon and came here to hopefully get some info. You decided to toss insults instead of explaining your opinion on the 3PMS rating. Having said that, what tires are you running, and are they 3PMS rated? How do you like them?
Wildepeak AT-3's are on ALF right now, but I am pretty disappointed in their snow performance and am looking for different rubber.

 

Honestly I have run WildPeaks AT3, KO2’s Toyo’s and MT Baja Boss’s…. Boss’s IMHO have been the best by far!

 

It seems like Mickey Thompson really nailed it with those. I know 2 guy running them and hear nothing but positive.

Have you had them very long? I know they're still a little newer to the market, but I'm curious how tread wear will be.

 

I have had them a year last month… treadwear seems good, a tad more noise than the others.. but this is damn near a rough terrain so I was expecting… but it is NOT a “noisy” tire! The tread design will not do well if you are not on top of your rotations and maintain air pressure. But it’s a great tire and does very well in all categories (dry, wet and snow) and I recommend them and would buy again

 

Thanks!

I'm good about rotations. And, I run mud tires during the summer, so pretty much anything is an improvement over that. When the mud tires wear out, I'm debating whether to go with another set of mud tires or just a more aggressive set of all terrains like the mickeys.

 

Already answered above. Baja Boss ATs. Yes they are 3pmsf rated. I have snow on the ground 6 months out of the year and they are required where I am often traveling. I'd say the are above adequate, as were the outgoing AT3Ws. My other cars have blizzaks but the 4runner gets driven the most. However, without question the Blizzaks, and dedicated snow tires, are better on snow covered roads.

 

Yup. There’s really no comparison to a true snow tire.

 

Or, Or you can check the cat that pulls you out and see what stamps he has?

 

respects

 

what I understand from reading this (I could be wrong), in order to get the 3PMSF, a tire needs "special rubber compound that stays flexible in cold temperatures" AND must also pass the test to meet "the standards set by the U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association (USTMA) for severe snow conditions".

In other words, if it has the special rubber but fails the test, then it does not get the 3PMSF rating.

Surprise you say that because I've heard a lot of praise for the Falken WP AT3 in the snow (unlike the newer AT4s).
I dont have any personal experience with them though.

Btw what does ALF mean?