2025 6th gen 4Runner Official Reveal Thread

This is unfortunate. I really like the 4Runner redesign and was leaning towards a Pro. After seeing the Tacoma pricing I’ll more than likely be going with the GX Overtrail.

 

I like nice things but when the nice things suddenly start costing tens of thousands more than they did the previous year then I take issue with it.

 

The TRD Pro and Trailhunter are basically fully fungible with a GX 550 or Landcruiser from a pricing perspective. I'll be honest, I was bracing for $60-65k max for a top trim 4Runner when I put my deposit down. Didn't think they'd hike it THIS much but based on the Tacoma pricing, the hybrid top trims are $70k+ trucks. WOW. $70K+ is bad enough just on the price increase but combined with the current rate environment, one has to think maybe finally sales will taper off and or decline. But then again, who is willing to bet against the American consumer, leveraged purchases, and over-extending?

 

Here's an interesting write up and photos of the hybrid system.

https://www.motor1.com/features/717505/toyota-i-force-max-hybrid-truck-explainer/amp/

 

Here's an interesting write up and photos of the hybrid system.

Toyota's Hybrid Truck System Will Be a Game-Changer. Here's How It Works
https://www.motor1.com/features/717505/toyota-i-force-max-hybrid-truck-explainer/amp/

 

These 4 bangers were designed for small to medium sized sedans. But they are game changers when used in trucks as in....

GAME OVER!

 

If you're going to complain about the new engine, you could at least try being accurate.

 

Nagville is only here for the negative (no, thats not a typo), he could find fault in a bright sunny day, don't feed the troll.

 

I can’t wait to actually drive that engine but that article and read are super informative. Given the torque curve, it makes sense that the driver said they seldom had the engine above 3,000 RPMs. With the electric motor supplementing the turbo four, it has such prodigious torque off idle. There are so many who are claiming it was created for small cars and or it will be unreliable. The former is not true and it’s been further bolstered with many new parts (i.e. cooling, oil pumps) to diffuse a V8 engines worth of engine heat. Imagine an engine that rarely needs to be spun above 3k rpm and the impact that has on cylinder wall friction, crankshafts, connecting rods, etc. When I’m driving up hills at altitude, I’m often holding revs above 4500-5000+ RPMs in my current Taco V6. Toyota deployed the more mechanically simple and most reliable hybrid electric setup too, emphasizing reliability over max mileage or performance. Pretty cool stuff. Sounds like the engine is likely to be under-stressed, the way all their truck engines have been historically.

 

Nagville, hahaha that's perfect

 

OOh my, over on IH8MUD there are some real sad folks and heads hanging low with disappointment over the new Prado and FraudRunner. They are probably all trolls. Better that than sock puppets.

Go back through all the Speculation threads guys and you will find that Nagville’s predictions were 100% on target. And it gives me absolutely no pleasure to be so right on this very solemn occasion. But it was clearly in the cards, for anyone who wanted to see, to see. Game over.

Nagville

 

“Game Over!” Who hurt you? It’s not that big of a deal man. It’s okay you don’t need to like the 6th Gen or come to a 6th Gen section of this forum to try to get us to agree with you.

 

Bassackwards is such a great asset to this forum because you can set your clock to him. Anything he says is geometrically opposed to the truth. If he makes a statement, you can bet the farm the exact opposite is true. That is a rare talent. And if you know how to read him, you could navigate the globe with his misstatements as a compass.

 

This is a little disconcerting. Makes me fear that the non-hybrid might feel underpowered so they decided it was necessary to offer a “better” version of the exact same vehicle.

“Fuel economy isn’t the priority either. Compared with their gas-only equivalents, hybrid Tacomas get around 2 mpg more in the city, 1 mpg more on the highway, and 1 mpg more combined. Really, this is about performance.”

 

You're worried that a more powerful 4Runner might feel underpowered?

 

Tfl has said many times the non hybrid taco has enough power while comparing to the hybrids they have driven.....you're good if you don't take the hybrid

 

Depending on where the power band is, yes.

 

Peak torque is at 1700 RPM's. It's a huge improvement over the V6.

 

I mean it’s not even remotely close when you see the dyno graphs. It has a much higher torque peak and pretty much right off idle. The combination will feel much more powerful than the outgoing V6 for how most people drive these things even without the electric motor.

 

I’m mostly worried about its performance at highway speeds in wind. MPG tanked in that regard in my 3rd gen Tacoma vs my 2nd gen Tacoma. Because the power band wouldn’t allow it to hold 5th. So I actually got worse MPG with the “new and improved” engine. I was expecting improved MPG and in my particular use case I didn’t get it.

 

The 2.4 should be right in its torque band at highway cruising speeds. I'm sure it's going to be awhile before we see what actual mileage people get. But, it should be better since the 2.4 won't have to downshift as much.

 

The new turbo creates peak torque so low that you don’t need to be downshifting and revving super high to be able to keep it moving or accelerating. My current Tacoma and previous 4Runner engines need to rev much higher and downshift 1 or 2 gears anytime I want to accelerate in the mountains, going uphill, making a passing maneuver. Not so with this turbo in the latest Taco 4th Gen and soon the be 4Runner 6th Gen.

 

Have you driven a 24 taco yet?

 

im sure it will feel much better to drive no doubt. Mileage should be a bit better but don’t expect miracles - remember you have to burn more fuel to make more power, the revs may be low but if you are accelerating hard the throttle will be open and the injectors flowing more fuel (or it’s coming from electric motor assist, but then the battery will need to be recharged when you come off throttle or brake)

 

Yeah I mean it’s not gonna get the gas mileage of a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder. It’s boosted so has synthetic displacement effectively since it’s just a better air pump (with correspondingly more fuel consumption). Just speaking to power band and accessible power it will be much better and particularly for those of us living at altitude. The current naturally aspirated motors had relatively peaky and un-trucklike power bands, despite their reliability.

 

It will be interesting to see what real world fuel mileage the new 4Runners get, Tacomas too. The new Sequoia and Tundras aren’t putting out the claimed epa mpgs. Will these have the same fate?

 

probably not much better than the 5th gen. here are our stats on our 2018 tundra plat 4x4 5.5ft (249 fillups) vs our 2023 tundra plat 4x4 5.5ft non hv (40 fillups)

mindful that she does remote starts during winters and most of the time its just around town 90% vs 10% highway

 

It looks like the Tundras are averaging 17-18 combined, which is 1-2 mpg below the estimate. I don't know if the estimates have been released for the 4Runner yet, but I'm guessing it will be a similar story.

 

You averaged only 11 and 12 mpg.
Only 1 mpg gain from going from a super reliable engine to a questionable turbo model doesn’t seem worth it to me.