2025 6th gen 4Runner Official Reveal Thread

excluding the TRD Pro and Trail Hunter (better numbers), SR5, TRD OR, Limited, Platinum ... approach is only 1 degree different between the 4R and LC. the departure is like night and day, 4R @ 24 and LC @ 14. the ground clearance is 4R @ 9.2 and LC @ 8.0

 

The only thing in a modern diesel that’s any more complicated than gasoline emissions controls is the DEF system. And that’s a storage tank, pump, injector and control unit. The most likely parts to fail there are the pump or injector and I can’t see those costing “a fortune”

The rest, particulate filter and catalyst are just canisters that bolt into the exhaust path like a gasoline car cat. They parts may cost more (or not) but the amount of labor is no different.

And like all emissions components they are mandated by regulation to be covered under warranty for 100,000 miles.



I suggest researching a bit before spreading FUD.

 

I'll propose an occams razor more likely explanation.

I spent some time teh other day making a table to compare key specs of hte 6th gen, LC and GX550 to the 5th gen. This is what I have for fuel numbers, I used the combined rating as I never see the highway figure even on the highway.

Baseline 5th gen: 17mpg combined x 23gal tank = 391 miles theoretical range
GX550: 17mpg x 21gal tank = 357 miles
Land Cruiser: 23mpg x 17.9gal tank = 412 miles
No numbers for the 5th gen yet but we can all assume it will be similar to or slightly better than LC.


I suspect that Toyota engineering is just using 350-400 miles combined range as their target design spec and sizing the tank to that. (plus there may be packaging issues, especially with the hybrids as space between the frame rails gets crowded) They probably have market research data indicating that most customers are happy with that.

I get that out west where you guys drive long highway distances without seeing civilization that may be on the low side, but on the dense east coast its rare for me to go more than 5 minutes without passing a gas station. Demographically, probably the vast majority of Toyotas customers live in dense areas where extreme range isn't needed.

 

Well, that comment was mostly a joke.

But, I said "usable range", which means you have to drop a few gallons off of each vehicle's fuel capacity.

Even so, I guess the range is still OK as long as people are actually able to hit the EPA estimate. Definitely still better than an EV for traveling.

Also, I've exceeded the EPA highway mileage estimate with my 19 plenty of times. When it was stock, I got 21+ mpg at 70, but it dropped to around 18.5 at 80. Above 80, you're probably getting 14-18 depending on the environment.

My combined mileage stock was generally over 18, which surprised me. But, I know everyone is going to have different results.

 

It's unfortunate that government regulations have taken some of the appeal away from diesel. At this point, I'd probably only consider one if I really needed the towing capacity.

CVT's sound nice on paper, but I have a hard time trusting them to be reliable long term. Fortunately, the LC has a traditional 8 speed automatic.

 

That’s fair about the mileage. I average just shy of 18 commuting and 19s on highway but ATs and the Pro roof rack are affecting my number.

I know that’s not useable I was just doing a direct comparison of the published numbers looking for a pattern. 300 ish miles usuable seems very common for Japanese cars, it’s roughly what I get, and before that my 2014 taco got similar. My wife has been through 2 Honda pilots that both go 300-350 before the gas light comes on as did Honda/toyota sedans we owned in the past.

 

Expanding on that point, none of the Toyota BoF (truck/suv) hybrid systems are CVT afaik. And there are other hybrid systems out there that are non CVT (for example Honda has one that basically has no transmission, it’s just a single fixed gear and they use the electric motor for low end torque off the line and startup the gas engine for cruising speed)

I do get your hesitation however, I remember what a bad rep they had when Nissan first introduced them in the 90s, though I believe better materials and design have vastly improved them now. The bigger problem is that for a CVT to really deliver better efficiency it needs to “motorboat” and let the engine run a fairly constant rpm near the HP/ efficiency peak but consumers hate how that sounds so they tune them to mimic fake “shifts” and you loose a lot of the benefit vs. a traditional trans.

 

Thinking back on my stock mileage almost makes me want to go back to stock.

I remember the first drive to Florida with it, I was generally able to go 350+ before stopping.

Roof racks are a huge killer of fuel economy, which is why I use a Yakima Megawarrior that I can remove and install in ~15 minutes. I pretty much only put it on for wheeling trips, and when I'm hauling kayaks.

 

I don’t worry about it so much. I bought this thing knowing it was going to be bad. If we do long distance road trips with the kids we just take my wife’s Honda pilot, that thing gets high 20s on the highway…. When I was young I had compact hatchbacks that got worse so it seems a blessing to me..

 

I hear ya! My '85 Celica was a dog and only got like 24-25, IIRC. The Supra got less, but, to be fair, I was always driving it like I stole it.

I just remove mine because I rarely actually use it, and I do a lot of highway driving. The initial goal was to remove it for winter to help keep it from rusting. But, it's so easy, I just started leaving it off.

It's getting to be mall crawler show season, so I'm sure I'll be putting it up there and swapping the MT's back on soon, though.

 

Where it starts to get ugly is when you subtract three gallons for when the gas light comes on. Then look at what some users are getting in their 4th gen Tacomas. TRD Jon is now only getting high teens after mods. 19 mpg x 15 gallons is only 285 miles.

 

Well, maybe bolt less shit onto the truck.

Or research fuel tank size and range before buying, so the rest of us don't have to hear the bitching.

People seem to hate test drives and research these days, though.

 

Who'd have thought that adding weight and aerodynamic drag to a vehicle would reduce fuel economy?

 

What if the vehicle comes from the factory with all that shit already bolted on? AKA Trail Hunter.

 

Then yeah, that's a Toyota blunder.

I agree though, the small gas tank is ridiculous. It's already ridiculous on the outgoing Tacoma (which has fairly high mpg estimates already, despite them being unrealistic).

An Outback has a 19 gal tank, FFS.

 

Guys so I was re-watching Joe Raiti's video on the 6th gen. He points out at minute mark 8:08 that the 4R is smaller than the LC and it fits perfectly well in the lineup.

Yes I know on paper the LC and the 4R are the same, but the fender flares stick put significantly more than the LC's fender flares... the LC is more boxy and upright. You can tell is bigger from the videos and pix. The 4R is the same interior as the Taco, and we all know the Taco is definitely smaller.

https://youtu.be/-cgZnNuZPHw?si=qG-cCdgl5nnMnUIq

 

Looks like the 2024 Tacoma TRD Pro will be $65k. $15k increase over the 2023.

 

The trail hunter in Canada is 86 thousand, looks like I will be getting a premium off road

 

Yep, the pricing is ridiculous. Where does that place the 6th gen 4Runner? I'm scared to ask.

 

Yikes, that sucks!

 

Figure about $6K to $7K more than the Taco. Which would put the Pro and Trailhunter at around $70K.

 

This pricing is absurd for a midsize truck.

 

Surprisingly they priced it $10k-15k more than the competition (Ford Ranger Raptor & Colorado ZR2)

 

Someone on Tacoma world stated watch for the Raptor price jump next year . They did it to the Bronco raptor x 20k so expect ford to do the same with the RR

 

I wonder where the platinum will end up. Not spending 70K on a 4runner Pro. May switch out my deposit to a limited hybrid or platinum. Pricing is getting insane. My 21 Tundra Pro double cab is a real bargain at 50K. I paid msrp. My 14 year old son may get that in a few years.

 

Paying a couple thousand more for Toyota’s reliable has always been reasonable. Paying $10-15K more though is just insane. You can buy a lot of other toys for that much money.

 

When car market collapse? New auto pricing is starting to feel like 2005 housing prices. Different animal of course, but how much higher do we need to go before their sales are affected significantly?

 

Lol, that's insane!

 

Agreed with much of the above.. This pricing seems ridiculous.

It kinda sucks that you're forced into a hybrid with the higher trims.

The LC250 is looking more and more reasonable for anyone who is torn between that and the 4Runner. Of course, pricing isn't out, yet. But, it's probably safe to assume it will be more than the Taco for similar equipment.

 

Countering efficiency gains with a smaller tank pains me.

I know it’s a packaging/compromise issue but one thing I miss from my Sorento was the range that came with having the slowest, most efficient engine and the same tank as those with speedier engines. (18.8 gallons)

Relative has an Ascent with a half-gallon larger tank (19.3 gallons) but that combined with LA's speed/traffic/hills makes for frequent stops at the gas station.

I'm definitely jealous of the Highlander Hybrid's theoretical 500-600 mile range. (17.1 gallons)

But I guess my consolation prize is that we've always had a couple gallons (23 gallons) over the 21 gallon Nissan trio. (2005+ Frontier/Xterra/Pathfinder)