2024 Landcruiser Engine Performance

Not judging anything. Just an observation. Sounded like i started a Honda Civic. Not what i was expecting at all! Like I said, I've never experienced a turbo anything.

 

I mean this is no different than you earlier in the thread saying the Landcruiser felt far more powerful than your 4Runner, despite the legitimate instrumented car magazine tests showing, its as slow as or slightly slower than the 4Runner. He is also arguing that the prior Gen will smoke a 5th Gen because of a feeling when you’re stating that’s not actually correct based on instrumented tests. Again, when I drove the Landcruiser I had a different impression than you and that impression appears to comport with Motor Trend’s most recent on road review and the Edmunds GX vs LC review, which is that the Landcruiser feels quite a bit more lethargic than the sheer numbers would suggest. I hope that in the 6th Gen 4Runner it feels more sprightly because so far, it’s been a disappointment to me in the power and efficiency departments.

 

Well, I personally have never raced vehicles side-by-side for comparisons. So it's published 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for me.

 

Where is the test showing the new Landcruiser being slower than the 4Runner?

According to Car and Driver, they're almost identical.

Plus, I never said that the Landcruiser was faster than the 4Runner.

Edit: there's also data supporting the fact that the new Landcruiser is more powerful than the 5th gen 4Runner.

 

I referenced them in my post… Google and read the latest Motor Trend on road review for the Landcruiser and the corresponding 0-60 and quarter mile times and trap speed. Do the same for Edmunds. The 5th Gen 4Runner that most everyone agrees feels pretty slow and deliberate, is actually quicker in both of those tests. It’s quite surprising.

Nobody buys these cars to race them but everyone has been waiting with bated breath for a more powerful and sprightly 6th Gen 4Runner or LC250 vs an ancient 5th Gen 4Runner platform.

https://motorweek.org/road-tests/2024-toyota-4runner/

https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/4runner-2024

 

Maybe I missed something, but it looks like Car and Driver came up with a 7.7 second 0-60 for both the Landcruiser and 4Runner. And, a 16.2 1/4 mile for the Landcruiser vs 16.0 for the 4Runner.

https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/land-cruiser


I'll agree that it's not impressive, either way. But, the Landcruiser had more low end and midrange grunt than my 4Runner. The 4Runner pulls hard in the higher RPM's, but I wasn't able to really lay into the Landcruiser for comparison as I had a salesman in the vehicle with me.

 

To add: with such a high torque rating, and an engine tuned for low end torque and efficiency, maybe it (the LC) falls on its face in the higher RPM's. I just found the low and midrange power to be better than the 4Runner. And, based on my needs, that's much more important than feeling fast.

 

I was able to drive a 1958 accompanied by nobody other than my wife so felt freedom to drive it around and experiment at different speeds. Agreed, a truck needs more low-end and mid-range vs power high up. To me, it felt surprisingly weak off a dead stop and idle but had the sensation of more pull than a 5th Gen once fully spooled and with max hybrid assist cooking but it was marginal which is totally a shock. Also, with electric assist I’d have expected way more low end grunt off a dead stop. I never tow more than 5k pounds so the extra 1k of pulling capacity isn’t important to me but the hybrid definitely gets you that.

 

That is shocking, although not too much, isn't the LC250 much heavier than the 5th gen 4R?

 

It sounded like it was around 1000# heavier, so that's definitely significant.

 

I’m wondering if the varying opinions are just in where that power is, ignoring gearing.

I can conceivably see two different vehicles with the same 0-60 having different 0-30 and 50-70 (passing) numbers.

Hyundai’s engine upgrade option for the Sonata not too long ago actually made less peak power than the base engine but it was supposed to be an upgrade with a higher but flatter power curve.

 

I guess I need to start bringing someone with me on these test drives, so the salesman will leave me alone.

I never really took off hard from a stop. I just leaned into it a little from maybe 20-50 mph.

I wouldn't mind a little extra towing capacity. But, I just don't like it enough to want to give up my '19 for one. And, unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), I don't expect it to be any different with the new 4Runner.

I'd agree with you there.

To your point; my '03 felt quicker off the line, while the '19 pulls better at higher speeds.

 

I’m getting 24.8 right now 50/50 city highway at 500 miles in

 

What are your thoughts? Like it so far?

 

Love it so far…. The torque in this thing is amazing. I drive like a grandpa so I hardly ever use my turbo. Very impressed so far!
You can definitely tell it was built in Japan, it’s just different…as you know with the 4Runner.
I got rid of the 5.7L Tundra so I’m still hoping and praying this will last lol

 

Glad to hear it. Another gentle driver here, who also appreciates Made in Japan. How is the interior space compared to the 4R?

 

The exterior dimensions are definitely bigger but as far as interior I think the 4Runner is a little bigger but I can’t really tell. Plenty big for my family of 4 with two car seats in the back. The battery is where the cargo space is so that takes away a good 2-3 inches there, but overall there is tons of room in the cargo area

 

My family is now three of us at home - me, my wife, and 21-year-old son with Down syndrome. Older two boys are out. We're beyond car seats lol. Plan to keep the 4R for a long time, but the LC is intriguing. Wife has always wanted a LC.

 

You would love it….its definitely worth it I think. 57-58k for the 1958 is a no brainer. I park outside usually so I do not want leather in the Vegas heat lol
The 1958 cloth seats are so nice

 

A plus: that's my birth year!

 

Lots of people are up in arms about the cloth seats but to me they are a throwback to the 70s and 80s LCs and I didn’t mind them at all. The Soft-Tex in the 4Runners gets clammy since it’s not really permeable but at least it makes cleanup of grime or spills a non-issue. For $57-$59K I’d argue getting one of the last made in Japan 5th Gen TRD Pros might be the better route though, if people want more cargo space, similar or slightly better acceleration (I still cannot believe I’m saying that), better suspension, better ground clearance, more analog controls. However, the styling of the LC250 they knocked out of the park IMO. It’s like a much more reliable Defender 110.

 

That sounds a lot better than what I was expecting, based on some of the comments I read here.

How are you liking it, overall?

Edit: nevermind, I missed your previous replies. Glad you like it!

 

Ehh longevity wise would be the only kicker there. We will have to wait and see if the 2.4L can hang but the LC blows the 4Runner out of the park in ever other category

 

I’ve had 5 Tundras, a Sequoia, a new diesel f250…my wife has had everything to include a high country suburban, every Lexus in the book and the LC is by far the best and most favorite out of the bunch
I absolutely love it

 

My favorite feature though is the tri zone climate….having the vents up at the top of the ceiling is so much better especially in the Vegas heat.

 

The turbo is spooled up well before 2000 RPM's, so you're definitely using it. The non-hybrid version of that motor makes peak torque at 1700 RPM's, and that's all due to the turbo.

 

1958 would be a no brainer if you can get the MTM option… sigh… perhaps next model year, they will make that available.

square headlights looks like terrible cartoon car

 

I know I’m using it…I have the gauges up so I can tell when it’s spooling.
75% of the time I’m not using it.
And that’s the non hybrid version…….

 

It's a small turbo so peak torque is reach fairly early. Keep this in mind off road so you don't snap an axle... It may explain the weakness off the line - a lot of torque management in the ECM for drivetrain survival.

 

If the Land Cruiser is 20% heavier than the 5th Gen 4R and makes 20% more hp then Isaac Newton (F=ma) would predict them to have same acceleration.

Car and Driver had new 2.4L Tacoma at 7.0 seconds 0-60 and after reading this thread I think the non-hybrid 6th Gen may be the one I'm most anxious to drive (although 24 mpg from a 5600 pound vehicle is impressive!). I like the high rpm breathing of the 5th Gen but I'd rather have more grunt.