6th gen Speculation Thread

Covid shortages are over. Dealers can’t get away with that nonsense anymore. It’s a buyers market again.

 

Also, how did this become a political thread? I thought that kind of thing wasn't allowed here.

 

I have only seen the discussion of policies that affect our new vehicles, whether that policy is viewed positively or negatively depends on the context. It's been civilized, so no harm no foul.
I've said it before, transportation, energy, and finance are inherently intertwined with politics. It will come up, again, and again, and again

 

Not if imported vehicles are suddenly out of reach of more buyers and they’ll be competing for non-tariffed options. I don’t know what the percentage is off the top of my head but that’ll effectively constrict supply. (of course depending on how broad the tariffs are applied)

I do agree with the sentiment but voters don’t see it that way and have other things on their mind, sure it’ll be a logical consequence but that’s probably a bit over the political line here but it’s definitely fuzzy.

Nailed it!

 

The majority of manufacturers have factories here. You don’t think they will increase production?

 

Production is constrained by available part supply, logistics, factory capacity, labor, etc. and none of those turn on a dime.

Today’s business landscape values efficiency at the expense of resilience and flexibility. (see: that one NC plant supplying an huge chunk of the country’s IV fluids that went down)

One man’s margin-for-error/extra capacity can be considered another man’s waste and that cushion likely won't be built-in when these plants, processes, deals, etc are designed years in advance.

If you want a plant that produces 12 cars a minute and that’s it, why plan and pay extra for the potential for 18 a minute that may never be relevant?

Not to mention, the headline automotive COVID-19 supply issue was difficulty in sourcing chips from Asian semiconductor foundries and those deals are done in advance (need to order in advance) and could also be subject to these tariffs and increase the cost of manufacturing vehicles assembled in America.

Also plants may need to be retooled heavily to build more than the vehicle’s it was equipped for, that’s not an easy process to do, assuming there’s even room for another shift on the schedule or a way to speed up the line.

Related, and a neat read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toyota_factories

It'll be safe to say that steep, broad tariffs on imported automobiles and components will be a huge shift with hard to predict results. Toyota has a variety of choices from raising prices, taking a wait-and-see approach as the effects are felt (maybe public pressure will push the administration to dial it back?), decide it's not worth selling the 4Runner or manufacturing it here, wait out the president and his administration's term, etc.

 

Yeah exactly. Gotta go back to the 19th century, no income tax, no regulations...

Hmm, how long would it take Toyota to move 4Runner production to the US? I thought the US plants were at or near capacity? Not only that, but, with the chicken tax, pickup truck prices didn't come down, they went up. I know I know, everyone hates facts.


- Whatever happened to the election being rigged? -

 

Was it a stressful day for you? Can't gather your thoughts?

Relax, you'll be fine.

 

You know what, I was actually getting this site confused with another, where people were aggressive / excited about regulations being loosened. Looking back, what everyone has said here is fairly neutral. I deleted my post to be on the safe side as well.

 

You guys are worried about one Japanese made SUV that Toyota hasn’t even starting production on. There are plenty of other vehicles out there currently sitting on dealer lots and constantly being pumped out of the factories. Don’t worry. Everything will be OK.

 

ha, too true. I’m not worried at all, mostly just enjoy speculating. Free entertainment.

 

Nothing about my post was 4Runner-specific until my hypothetical at the end but OK.

 

Isn’t this a 6th gen 4Runner thread?

 

We are also talking the potential effects on import tariffs on the general market.

You’re expecting production of US-assembled vehicles to just increase resulting in no price increase of US-assembled vehicles. It’s not that simple as I’ve elaborated on.

That said, I do hope you’re right in that “Everything will be OK”.

 

Is this your first election cycle?

 

LAWL

 

Something that will be interesting to see is if these tariffs (if it even happens) will increase the prices of vehicles by more or less than inflation did over the last few years.

 

Don't forget the cost of complying with the next round of MPG and emissions targets

 

Also no modern medicine or dentistry, no year round fresh fruit, vegetables, or meat, no refrigerators or central heating/AC. No clean air or water in cities, no indoor toilet.

And no cars much less 4runners unless we want to count the Carl Benz motorized bench seat thingy that arrived near the end of the century.

 

It used to be. But it's about dirty air in the 19th century now.

 

At least the 6th gen will save the world with lower emissions from its little engine.

 

Exactly…keep up people! These threads move fast!

Don’t turbos with direct injection burn “cleaner” at the expense of generating much more fine particulates. Those particulates remain suspended, just like coal dust and coal smoke…which leads to black lung….aaaand that brings us right back to 19th century. See that’s how these threads work.

 

Speaking of coal... I'm a big fan. Huge fan. Particularly when it comes to electric vehicles.

 

Coal fired steam-turbine electric generators! Yes! That combines just about everything great about the 19th century, including pressure vessels! And outfitting it with a steam whistle would be a no brainer!

 

A few weeks ago I saw a Tesla in a parking lot that had a bumper sticker that read:

Powered By Coal

It made me laugh out loud. It also made me wonder what kind of owner would put that on their Tesla. Someone with a sense of humor I guess.

 

I'm guessing it's some guy who is politically opposed to EV's but whose wife told him to get one.

 

Or he's just telling the truth.

 

Or it's both.

Or something else.

 

Or he likes the performance of an EV and not giving money to big oil and isn’t pretending where the electricity is coming from.

 

Chief of DOGE supporter i guess