6th gen Speculation Thread

they're been watching everyone spend a shit ton on these vehicles in aftermarket parts. They want in. I would argue it's really good because it allows people to get these parts installed (if they don't have the skills to do it) at a better labor price than it would be to put these parts on at a shop, and get it financed at a better rate than putting it on a credit card. Pretty smart. Great way to capture more revenue.

 

Oh I 100% get it, and agree. The names just sound lame to me, like their part of a super long Amazon Item description. "Off Road SUV truck 4X4 Overtrail Sports SUV for sport and off-road over trail" LOL

 

totally agree. Every time I see "trail hunter" i think that they should have spent more time and money on the name......"yeah so what do we call the one where people are going out looking for trails?......Trail hunter!!!!! that's PERFECT!"

overland edition? blinged out edition? *If* I had a trail hunter, which I wouldn't, I would debadge that bitch.

 

Its actually saved me from buying another roof rack for the time being. I had a prinsu on my Taco that while used a little, "looking cool" was the main draw. Now I see these Kias and Honda Elements with a 3ft long basket lashed to the roof and think who am I kidding. Even if I camp I'm not going on a 4-week boondock. I live in NE and I'm gonna get drunk on the state's grass somewhere instead of my own.

 

I can't imagine driving any EV on a long road trip.

 

Those spy pics with the cameo make it look low, wide, and crossovery.

 

it’s really not bad here in northeast. You got a kid and they need breaks anyways, might as well combine with a charging break. Plus way too many Tesla chargers available, I don’t ever feel range anxiety.

 

I'm with Thatbassguy. I want to drive, stop to refuel and pee, and drive again. Not interested in 'hanging out' several times along the way at the recharge stops.

 

When good, just a normal road trip! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vm_ASm2zfs

When bad, troubleshooting and trying different stations galore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92w5doU68D8

Big fan of Aging Wheels and the potential represented by EVs. I think it's a great second car option (or primary since you're trading all those gas station trips for more/longer stops long-distance) and the flexibility a battery offers to power things (if supported) and also be charged by different fuels in a pinch.

Other than the home-charging thing (my apartment complex's Blink network (Level 2) chargers cost jumped from the admittedly crazy low price of $0.03/kWh to $0.39-0.49/kWh whereas I pay ~$0.13/kWh to the utility.) what'll probably be my biggest hurdles would be:

• Spare tire (It's not an EV issue but skipping it is popular in them)
  
• Tech/Software (Also not an EV issue inherently but automakers really like shoving in software that they mess up. See: Ford's Mach-E OTA update failing meaning the car can't be driven and the Colorado's update failing and draining the 12V. Not to mention getting rid of the physical light switch in favor of an infotainment button and claiming it's "bug-free"...)
• Payments (I don't want to download four apps and be a member of three different networks for a discount, I just want to give it my credit card)
• Uptime (A fast charger technically working doesn't help me get going if it only charges at 5 kW.)

Tesla opening up their network will be interesting but we will see if they can maintain it's performance.

I'd like to see much more hybridization out there at lower price points, that'll probably do the most overall good than trying to leapfrog straight to EV although I recognize it has been cool to see. But also not cool to see them lean too far (IMO) into high-priced electrified models. (Pepperidge farm remembers when the Lighting and Maverick supposedly started at 40k and 20k respectively...)

 

Certainly not me! But a couple/family may have two vehicles especially with homeowners gaining the most benefit from electrifying. My parents have a RAV4 and Sonata, a cheaper used Bolt would fit in their use case if they so desired. (but not that they care to bother in this market/economy but I digress)

 

lol as someone who has done 14 hours in one day I’ll never do more than 5-6 hours before stopping again. most EVs with a battery over 100kW are in the 3-4 hour range. Anyone with kids or even just a partner isn’t going that long without stopping. The charging network isn’t what it needs to be yet, but with every major manufacturer adopting NACS as their port for 2025+ charging in the US will look a whole lot different than before.

 

^^^ I’m not an EV shill but unless you’re in the desert (even there gas stations are few and far in-between) charging isn’t what people think it is. My choice for my next car is down to the 6th Gen or a Rivian R1S.

if Toyota came out with a 4Runner Prime at 60-70K I’d buy it so quick

 

exactly. people that will benefit from EVs the most are those that NEVER and mostly drive around their city or families that go on roadtrips that have to/would opt to stop for long periods anyway.

 

No matter what happens, the planet will be just fine. Now for the rest of us poor souls reading about adding another Category to the Saffir-Simpson Wind Scale, maybe not as fun!

 

My local dealership has selected T4R $4800ish off MSRP

 

Same non-4Runner posted 8 days ago in this thread: https://www.4runners.com/posts/545067/

Off-road trips won't work, but road trips are fine. Guys in my off-road club have done week-long road trips in a Tesla Model S. Very comfortable and relaxing thanks to Autopilot. Range was never an issue thanks to Tesla's charging network.

 

My kid is grown up. I almost never stop unless I need fuel.

It's not range anxiety. It's just me wanting to reach my destination in a reasonable time.

Agreed! But, I have found that a sit down meal after 10-12 hours is extremely helpful with fatigue.

It's roughly 1400 miles to my Mom's house in Florida. I've done 20+ hours in a day numerous times. I stop for 10 minutes every 275-300 miles, and I do like to get out of the car for a solid hour after 10-12 hours. Sometimes I stop to sleep at a rest area, sometimes I don't.

 

I think those of us who are averse to owning and relying on an EV aren’t saying it can’t be done. Rather, we’re saying we don’t prefer it that way. The questions of comfort or range anxiety don’t matter to me. That’s all. I’m not asking you to convince me of anything.

 

This is how I feel. If I don't have to worry about actually finding a charger, if it takes me 20 minutes or half an hour to charge up, I'm fine with that. By the time I get out, grab a snack, running and use the restroom, take my dog for a walk, it's half hour easy. Not the end of the world.

What would worriy me now is that the chargers aren't standardized and I'm hearing a lot of times people get to them and their broke or otherwise non-functional, which is not indicated on the locator app. I'm sure it'll just take time though, I imagine in 1924 you would have had a difficult time finding gasoline in some areas.

Edit: it just occurred to me, I live in Rhode Island where they can't figure out how to build roads and bridges correctly, it'll be a long time before we have robust EV infrastructure here.

 

20 min to a half hour to charge up wouldn't be bad. On road trips with the family we usually stop at fast food but go in to eat. That would be more than enough time for a break and recharge.

If the interstate side fast food restaurants had chargers like this, it would save an additional stop for fuel at the gas station

 

Spot on

 

I think public transit in the US is more difficult due to population spread. Not that things couldn't be improved in higher population areas but California tried the high speed train like Europe and Japan and that didn't seem to turn out well.

That may work in the NE where population density is higher but I haven't seen any plans for that

 

No arguments against human industrial activity having led to environmental consequences. Plenty of examples of water that catches fire, water tables contaminated due to mining activities, and smog air pollution in heavily traveled cities before regulations were put in place to mitigate those issues. These would be examples of more localized pollution (think of it as weather) rather than global repercussions (think of it as not just localized climates but the climate of the entire Earth).

I'm not against EVs, I appreciate all leaps in human technology. I just don't like being treated as a conspiracy theorist because I don't agree we have enough accurate long term data to support claims they are the solution (or will even be a contributing factor) in changing the trends we are currently seeing

 

I said on here one time that man-made global warming isn't provable, and got all kinds of crap for it. But that statement is true. People just get emotional about it.

 

I would love a 4Runner PRIME. i would LOVE it.

 

Yeah, anyone trying to say that we aren't harming the environment is full of it. But, EV's in their current form aren't the solution either. Unfortunately, it seems like most people don't see the middle ground.

 

I wouldn't mind either. In fact, since the new land cruiser (really a prado) should be coming back to the US as a hybrid, I'm probably going to try to talk the wife into trading in the JGC for one.

Wouldn't mind having a 6th gen hybrid either. A hybrid would suit our family well. Actually, a small full on EV would be a great 3rd vehicle for us but I can't justify the expense. If the 6th gen is a hybrid at a lower cost than land cruiser maybe I could talk her into that. She hates driving the 5th gen though, mostly due to the way it brakes

 

Anyone know the percentage of electric vehicles currently on the road that are being powered strictly by coal/natural gas? Or an approximation?

Not my wheelhouse, but it’s gotta be a huge majority, no?

 

It varies by region. There is a map somewhere, maybe EPA has it. Additionally, there is analysis done comparing ICE emissions to true emissions from EVs by state.

Like most things, it's not as bad as you suppose, but it's also worse than EV fans would have you believe.

If I remember correctly, natural gas and oil power was better than gasoline cars, but coal is worse. Midwest had a lot of coal. Solar, wind, and nuclear power are obviously miles ahead of gasoline, where available.

Even on the fossil fuels, power plants are generally more efficient than ICE. But you're right, emissions are emissions.

 

Here is the EPA site:
https://www.epa.gov/egrid/power-profiler#/SRVC

And for the exact analysis you're thinking of, this site is good:
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41940&id=44461&id=46754&id=47243

If you select an electric vehicle and go to the Energy tab, and show tailpipe + upstream GHG, they have a link to calculate electricity emissions based on your location.

Total emissions (in grams / mile) are as follows:
4Runner: 630
Rivian suv: 210 (national average, so give or take)
Rav4 hybrid: 268
Grand Highlander turbo hybrid: 398 (probably close to LC250 numbers)
Prius: 199

So you can see the EV is still better than a comparable ICE, but obviously the more efficient vehicles have less overall emissions. A Chevy Bolt would be even lower than the Rivian, but they're not really competitors.