When the new 4R finally arrives there might not be any room on dealer lots for them

It is a slug; but I drive like a slug. The engine isn't stressed it just dribbles its power into a proven bullet-proof transmission and always gets me and my stuff from here to there with a minimum of strain. Like a Timex it will take a licking and keep on ticking. That's what I want in a truck. I don't race anybody.

 

That slug can cruise along nicely on the highway at 85 mph at a pretty low rpm. I can wait to see how the turbo 4 does at those speeds and how much its mpg plummets.

 

Since the turbo 4 makes way more low end torque than the 4.0, it probably won't have to downshift at the slightest hint of a headwind or incline. I suspect it will do just fine.

 

You’re obsessed with this torque.

 

Toyota Should have just sucked it up and slapped a ZF 8 speed in there and kept making the 5th gen, lol. All this expense and now they have Tacos overflowing.

 

Do you remember how many people were bitching about Toyota selling the 5th gen for 14 years?

 

Yes. The LandCruisers seem to be piling up too.

 

Probably about 7 people.

 

I have had 9 Toyota trucks (2000 & 2007 Tundra) and 7 smaller trucks from 1970's Hi-Lux to Tacomas (many other Toyotas too) . The problem we have here in the southeast is the insane amount of SET port add on's and then dealer add on's. I know Toyota Corp. is not happy with that, but little they can do.


I looked at some of my older purchases in this SET area and the add on's were very few, if any, but today, it is possible to have over 20% of SET regional and dealer add on's.

I have been going out of the SET area to buy vehicles now.

As far as the Tacoma quality, it has gone down in Mexico IMO. I still like the "J Cars" over the US made vehicles too.

I bought a 2024 4Runner to keep, because I do NOT want a 4 cylinder turbo that you have to squeeze the guts out of to get power.

The 4.0 is slow but bullet proof and I would like an 8 speed transmission, but the 5 speed will do.

Toyota did a good move when they .. super stalled the move to EV's ... even with pressure from DC.

I had 2 different Hi-Lux Toyotas in the 1970's and I really miss those little white, stripped down, simple, single bed wall trucks ... lol

Oh, I live part time in US and part time in Asia and the Toyota Hi-Lux in Thailand is still a very well built truck.

Toyota and Honda dealers in Thailand are gigantic in size. Small city of Chiang Rai had a Toyota dealer with 23 Hi-Lux and 2 sedans on the floor.

PS ... It will be interesting to see what Toyota does with Mexico when pressure increases to build in US.

 

You mean people who were never going to buy one new from a dealership in the first place?

The people who don't buy 4Runners will always have a reason to not buy one. It's too old...It's not a prius in gas mpg....OMG it is so tipsy in corners...Less room than a highlander...it doesn't have a 20 inch tablet where every function is buried three menus deep...there is no end.

 

No

 

Oh well that settles it then. Cogent and concise as ever.

LOL.

 

I have a Mexican made Tacoma that’s build quality has been excellent. It does piss me off though that Toyota is using cheap labor but still charging higher prices than US made trucks.

 

Yup. There was no shortage of 5th gen buyers. They sold everyone every year.

 

For the most part legacy domestic automakers' Mexican operation make as good if not better cars than their US counterparts. Cars like the Fusion, Fieta(minus the DCT) etc are much better made than Ford's domestic sedans like the late Taurus.

Toyota, Honda and Mazda have always been good with their US plants so the quality is not much different.

I don't fault Toyota for charging what the market can tolerate. Still, sucks for the value minded buyers.

 

It’s corporate greed. Most industries go to foreign made products so they can keep costs down compared to similar US made products.

 

Wouldn’t you do the same? Is your cellphone or computer manufactured in the USA? That’s global capitalism. Perhaps they relocated production to be closer to raw materials or to take advantage of more lenient business and tax regulations.