2025 6th gen 4Runner Official Reveal Thread

I do agree that they seem to have taken a step in the wrong direction. They have plenty of options for people who prioritize comfort over utility.

I'd just rather see them fill that slot with a more rugged 4Runner. The FJC was a novelty, and really not much different from the 4Runner as far as capability.

 

I like that color better then 2024 underground. Sadly it was not available on the 2024 and I wanted the very last year of the 5th gen so...

 

Thanks for the reply. For me that's a "non starter" in terms of purchase interest so it's sayonara 6th gen.

 

I second this. I had a 2nd Gen 2012 Tacoma with 40k miles that I traded for a 2nd Gen 2015 Tacoma - And I got 75% of value on the trade-in.

 

True. Just the angles really. When I wheel with FJ's they don't lose their rear bumper constantly... and I'm jealous of that.
I do agree that it isn't a very practical vehicle. Small back seats and very little cargo space make the FJ a little unlivable.

Still though, I view the FJ as Toyota's dedicated wheeler. I don't love seeing the 4Runner move toward the already crowded luxury SUV space. I would have liked to see a more ruggedized 4R with better departure angle. Let the Land Cruiser and Lexus options occupy Toyota's luxury SUV space.

 

Ehh. I'd say the 2GR-FKS will be remembered as a worse engine, unless the turbo 4 has some serious problems.

From a power perspective, this will be one of the best motors ever put in a 4Runner, with the only thing coming close being the 2UZ V8.

 

Yes--that was my understanding both from Car & Driver's article and Doug DeMuro's recent video.

Think of it as one more model that has full-time 4WD than we have now (and one more I'll never be able to afford -lol)

TimG

 

No kidding?? Comfy seats is supposed to be Lexus' jam. My wife's 2015 NX 200's seats are the most comfy I've ever sat in. We've nicknamed it The Sofa.

TimG

 

Or, you know, we could all breath Los Angeles style smog and die of various lung diseases. Your choice.

 

I think if they had made 1 vehicle that was positioned between the LC250 and the 6th gen, it would still get most of the sales these 2 vehicles will.

Then take the Land Cruiser and make it a rugged off road vehicle. This crowding is even worse once you consider the Lexis offering.

The decreased angles to me is purely a consequence of lengthening it, and not an intentional change. I would have gone in the other direction if I were Toyota because they have more larger midsize SUVs than smaller midsize. It might have a lot to do with Toyota trying to use 1 frame between everything.

The EPA needs to do more to close the footprint loophole, I don’t think the 4runner would have gotten larger without it.

 

Doug de Muro makes his living hyping stuff. Some people like the updated design, some don't.

And you know what?

IT'S ONLY A TRUCK.

The new 4Runner is neither important, nor urgent in the world right now.

 

Not sure what you mean by this.

 

The Platinum trim will even have automatic wipers

 

Maybe that's what a majority of customers want? I'd guess a majority of 4Runner buyers never visit an internet forum.

 

EPA requirements are based on the vehicle's footprint. That's one of the reasons vehicles keep getting bigger.

 

You're not wrong!

Unfortunately, enthusiasts are just a small percentage of the customer base. So, if Toyota has to disappoint us to draw in more new customers, we can't really be surprised.

 

I don't think I'd ever begin a statement with "The EPA needs to do more..."

 

The emissions goal is a partially determined by vehicle size. So in many cases instead of putting R&D at the problem, companies simply increase vehicle size to pass regulations.

I said they need to do more because they have tried to fix it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-bigger-cars/2011/12/14/gIQA3bGLuO_blog.html#

 

The world has been here longer then the 4runner. We cannot make the world better or worse anymore then a ant can move a mountain.

 

Yeah. Toyota has a history of being sorta middle of the road. I know the Land Cruiser has a global history as a reliable, durable off-roader, but in the US market we have roads. We're not Africa, or Australia, or Mongolia. Off-roading is a hobby, not a necessity. Which is why Toyota builds what they build for this market.

Every once in a while they turn out something outrageous, a Lexus LFA, I guess we were hoping for at least one crazy model in this latest round of trucks (Tacoma, LC/GX, 4Runner).

 

Win some, lose some. On the upside, the 6th gen will fit 35" tires with ease. There are also improvements inherited from the platform, like absence of a low-hanging crossover pipe, and removal of the exposed rear locker motor (replaced by a solenoid). I think the biggest hinderance to off-road use will be the 6th gen's much larger size.

The Limited trim is also more palatable now without the ghey sideskirts on the 5th gen.

 

Well, everyone has an opinion.

 

I think the idea was to change those regulations so that they wouldn't cause manufacturers to keep making vehicles bigger.

I know most of us tend to dislike government regulations. But, we'd probably end up living in a disgusting wasteland without environmental regulations. Look at how gross the Great Lakes and their tributaries were getting before the government stepped in.

 

+1 and also remember that the CA in CAFE stands for Corporate Average. People keep asking "how can Dodge still make a v8 truck" but hte 4Runner doesnt get one. Well Dodge could make a 5mpg v10 if they wanted to as long as they sell 10x, 20x,30x as many 40mpg hybrids to bring the fleet average up to 25 or 30 or whatever the next tier is....

 

I like this perspective!

Being able to fit 35's without butchering the frame could be a huge selling point for some.

 

the reason is the majority of buyers of 4runners are females the last few years. the forum people are maybe 1-5% of the total buyers of 4R. out of that 1-5% maybe 10% of them are really into the trd pro or trail hunter. most sales will be either the SR5 or limited/platinums (females)

in my town 90% of the limiteds are female drivers and i think ive only seen like 5 others besides myself being a male driver in a limited. i need the FT 4WD for getting to work in the mornings before the plows hit the roads as i am on the road at 5am.

 

I haven't read anything about fitting 35's on the 6th gen, is this based on people's experiences modding the Tacoma?

I did see, was it TRD Jon, who mentioned the larger rear-end on the TRD Pro/Trailhunter.

 

But we can do regime changes with 4Runners (or Prados)

 

Even if I didn’t care about the environment, I still would want this fixed.

Not every vehicle needs to be larger, the size increase isn’t good if you want to take it off road either. It adds cost and decreases fuel economy.

The previous size was more than adequate for the 4runner