End of the gas engine?

So buy into the green agenda instead PLUS you pay more than gas in the long run?

How inconvenient to have to put on a jacket.

 

Who said I'm buying into the green agenda?

And, how do you know the overall long-term cost? There are so many variables, it's absolutely impossible to predict.

 

False. It has all been studied in excruciating detail over many decades and nothing has improved in any way other than consumer convenience. No net benefit at all. The opposite actually. This EV and hybrid stuff is a net negative to you, to society, AND to me by having to pay for your electric or hybrid vehicle with my hard-earned tax dollars subsidizing you, and on and on and on. See post #291 for the true impact, and many many other posts here that you choose to ignore because they are inconvenient truths.

Please exit the socialist-globalist transrealist highway before the world crashes.

 

So, it's all been studied and everything has been known for decades, and yet you keep having to refer to information that was posted here less than 48 hours ago, with no cited source, to back up your point.

OK, whatever.

And, apparently anyone who has an open mind is a socialist-globalist transrealist now. If you had actually read through this thread, as you suggested I needed to do, you'd have seen that I am only in favor of EV's as an option, not a mandate.

I certainly don't have any more time to waste on this conversation right now.

Have a great night!

 

We may get there one day, but not today nor in the next 10 yrs!
And how does one think the Power that would supply electricity to all the home chargers once EV's are the thing? Do you think the solar panels or wind turbines are going to supply enough power?
Also, with battery chargers in homes say in a 200 home subdivition, the power grid will become overloaded and rolling blackouts will occur or you will be restricted on how much power you can take from the grid.....ahhhh such a green world!
One more thing, when they talk everyone into going green, remember fossil fuel..... The last fifteen percent of a 42 gal barrel of oil is classified as other. These — "bottom of the barrel" petrochemical products include thousands of different items, ranging from makeup to medicine.

No thanks on a EV

 

That is correct. This nonsense has been going on since the 1970's oil crisis. I know because I was there. Nothing has changed for the better since then, only worse.

False logic. Those are just recent examples clearly demonstrating that what some people call progress is merely disguising the truth of what actually happens every time someone buys a hybrid or EV. Child slave labor. Enormous environmental impact caused by battery production and disposal for both EV and hybrid. EVs are powered by coal, oil, and natural gas. Plus you expect me to subsidize your EV or hybrid via my tax dollars so you can have the convenience while I pay for it.

Yes, this is where we are as a society folks. This mentality.

 

Thank Brandon for that.

So you do not pay the electric bill? You think EV electricity is free?

You supposedly buy less gas when you drive a "hybrid" but I and everyone else have to pay for your car/truck battery via tax subsidies?

What about the child slave labor? What about the horrible environmental and social impacts of producing and disposing of these jimcracks?

 

The new green deal is about enslavement. In fact practically all government initiatives are ultimately about enslavement. But sadly, indoctrination works, and now many people are sympathetic towards their jailers. If it wasn't so horrific it would be hilarious.

 

Yes, I pay the electric bill. But, it seems like most people end up paying less to charge an EV than they would on gas.

I have never once said that I support subsidizing EV's or hybrids. This is one of the downsides of EV's in their current form.

And this is another huge down side of EV's. And, if you look back, you'll notice that I have consistently said that we need a better power supply or battery.




I'm not sure how pointing out possible benefits to hybrids and EV's automatically lumps me in with the agenda. This is part of the problem in this country. There's no middle ground for some people.

 

Kudos to you @Thatbassguy for putting up a fight. And for what it’s worth you are actually agreeing to a lot of issues discussed here, I don’t get so much resistance you are getting.
Owning an EV personally I agree with you 100%. Yes there is savings in using electricity vs gas for powering your vehicle. I get the initial investment is (or was at the time I bought it) significant over ICE. And not every person gets a direct tax benefit from buying an EV. Some of us are not eligible for any tax credits. So I don’t get this argument about “me paying for your tax subsidy”. If you are talking about subsidies to OeMs, that’s a big can of worm, because it’s not just ev companies get subsidies.

 

One question I do have: if my 200,000-miles-plus Prius battery finally gives up, can I drive it like an ICE? (I don’t own a Prius)

 

That's a good question. I was wondering the same thing myself. I wouldn't think so, unless there's a regular battery in addition to the hybrid battery.

I was googling a little bit yesterday, and got the impression that a hybrid battery is a lot smaller and easier to replace than an EV battery. It's still a major potential cost worth considering, especially if it wipes out all or most of the money you save on fuel. It's also an environmental issue, if the batteries can't be recycled in any way.

When I speak about the possible advantages to hybrids and EV's, it's with the hope that there's a better power supply on the horizon. Batteries are the biggest issue with these newer vehicles, maybe aside from the politics involved. When you look at the environmental impact of these batteries, it really doesn't make any sense for them to be mandated. I'd also prefer to see the product improve to the point where more people actually want them.

The impact on the electrical grid is a whole other issue.

As of now, I wouldn't be interested in an EV in their current state, but I understand why some people would be. I just think it's good to have options.

 

Back in Great Grampa's day the less well informed swore that ICEs would never replace horses.

They were wrong then and their great grandchildren are wrong today...

 

Incredible amount of interesting responses to this Thread. Regarding EV's, it appears most (all) members are what they use to say: hip to the haps.
I've read that EV drivers today represent about 6% of drivers. And current sales could suggest that it stays at a 6-8% for the near future. I wonder what the sales of EV's would be if gas (at least in the Midwest) ever returned to under $3.00 a gallon, and the financial incentives for EV's was removed ?
So what does our current Administration do due to our lack of interest in EV's ? They double-down on EPA rules. Since we are not openly and fully cooperating with the Administration's and climate alarmists desires, we will mandate what we know as best for you and shove it down your throat.

I still believe the power brokers true, long term desire is to get people out of their vehicles and using public transportation. Sounds far-fetched, but it would be one of the perfect socialist's solutions. Driving offers too much freedom to these people.

 

I think in the foreseeable future those percentages may well go down. Between battery fires, battery replacement costs, huge additional risk to occupants and rescue personnel and the lack of a decent charging infrastructure the enthusiasm is beginning to wain.

I've seen California experiencing rolling brown outs and times they said not to use even air conditioners due to electric strains not to mention the prospect of charging EV's en-mas.

People wishing to be greener are beginning to realize two things. The huge cost to the environment excavating many, many tons of earth to extract enough materials for just one battery, while burning huge amounts of diesel fuel to do so. Also, the so called green EV's largely get their charge from fossil fuels rather than green power.

And I don't believe for one second that if you own an EV long enough it eventually becomes net zero.....not even close. The minig has a massive carbon footprint, the transportation of those materials has a massive carbon footprint, the manufacturing of the exotic batteries has a massive carbon footprint and the same goes for transporting those batteries around the world, and charging those batteries for as long as they are good. I don't even want to begin to think of the horrendous impact of the hazardous waste the spent batteries will make.

GM, Ford and other have already scaled back on production goals even though the EV industry is subsidized throughout the process. There are scrap yards in France and other Countries where they have determined EV's are not yet a viable or green solution.

I have no doubt EV's will be the future but it's not here yet. I will embrace the technology once it has matured enough to actually be a green solution and is capable of performing all of the tasks people currently have with ICE. The battery tech need to advance much further than it is today and I doubt I'll see it truely mature in my lifetime.

EV's are 100% the future but we aren't there yet.

 

Its also against the law in NJ

 

As long as our US military is in the Middle East and not so much in Africa, gas cars will be tearing up the pavement. Lastly, what's good for humanity may not be so good for the controlling oil industry. And they control everything...

 

Around here we call tesla cars without a face you'll never see me in one. Batteries that cost a fortune to replace tires that last 8000 miles fire hazard no thanks I'll stay with my 4runner

 

Tires last about 25k miles and they’re Continental. Yes, the battery replacement on Tesla is ridiculous. $15,000 minimum. On Toyota you can replace by cells for $300.

 

And that ain't a bug or a mistake, it's a feature by design

 

Horseshit. Always be gas. China and Russia aren't worried about electric cars and CO2.

 

^ Hmmm, exactly. And for $500 Bob, name two countries NOT run by globalists .

 

When the economy tanks, and it's inevitable, all of this discussion will be moot. The first thing that suffers is real-estate and high dollar purchases. My grocery bill is up 25 to 30%. That wasnt the case a few years ago. And 2/3 of the country will be feeling it soon enough. Last thing I'm worried about is who is driving what.

 

Bidenomics not working? Come come dear fellow, surely you must trust the narrative. Can anyone name the one agency maybe NOT controlled by the cabal? Hint: It has the letters D-I-A. The agency which the Chinese spy head defect to. The good guys have him, and he knows where all the skeletons are buried.

 

One can only hope it's soon.....The Central Bank demise and all the corruption that they embrace....

 

Well it can't happen yet, as too many people are still clueless. It has to get even worse apparently. It will probably start w/ a JB replacement first and progress to the brink of WW3, which will be used as an attempt to cancel/delay/control the 2024 election.

 

I'm buying aluminum foil stock...

Where are you people coming up with all this paranoid bunk?

I gotta admit, chicken littles are funny... ridiculous, but funny...

 

^bot speak

 

^ believes anything he reads on the internet

 

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