Tacoma TRD Pro Cost $65,395

Of course, you can get a diesel version of the gladiator

 

Never needed extended warranty. Whenever something breaks you just buy the parts and get it fixed. Not at the dealership of course.

 

The sweet spot for value is likely to be TRD Off-road as it always has been. I don’t think all people buying TRD Pros (as someone who has owned two via Taco and 4Runner and never paid above MSRP) are always clout chasers. Some people’s calculus is more like:

“Do I want a turnkey fully factory warrantied 4Runner that can take me through rough trails and roads with ease and is to Toyota engineering spec? Is the price and convenience worth it to me?” Also, for better or worse, real TRD Pros by VIN (vs wheels swap and badge swap) have extraordinarily high resale values.

There are many ultra built aftermarket 4Runners out there and when I see them on trails engaging in extreme rock crawling, I cheer them on in my head as they attempt to go head to head with Wranglers. But I personally don’t need a stadium truck or trailer queen and that’s far outside of anything I’d do with my daily driver. To me, the TRD Pro spec is about has aggressive as I’d trade off between daily livability vs off-road capability given my skew and amount of time spent driving pavement. If I can’t get through it with a TRD Pro with rock sliders on it, I am not gonna do it with my daily driver. Also, I have seen many many many bad lift jobs that destroy any semblance of Toyota reliability and result in premature and uneven tire wear, suspension wear and tear and failures, etc. It is true that you can get an aftermarket lift and suspension setup really well dialed-in, but that takes a lot more than what many people end up getting when aftermarket Joe does a ratchet job lifting what was a perfectly reliable truck leaving the Toyota factory. Yes, I am aware of port installed options and items, but I just mean the spec, geometry, parts, etc being vetted and okayed by Toyota.

 

Not anymore. But that motor wasn't great.

 

Did you really compare a 2007 camry with a new RS5?

Have you looked at the IS500? Dont get me wrong, the RS5 is awesome, but if you wanted to keep a reliable car for a little less money and a little less power the IS500 is great

 

Perfectly said.

I would add that the price of the Pro for the 5th gen 4runner, if paid at MSRP, is not that much more expensive than a modified ORP, mainly when you consider the extra interior features that the pro has over the orp

 

The RS5 is awesome until it gets out of factory warranty. VW Group doesn't have the best reliability track record.

 

Oh I didn't realize they dropped it. And I know, the tow rating was even lower for the diesel option, so it wasn't the best example of a diesel powerhouse.

 

LOL no, not comparing the camry but I did compare the RS5 to the IS500 and RCF and theres no comparison. The interior quality, fit and finish was leagues ahead of the Lexus, and I live in Colorado so I wanted AWD for inclement weather which Lexus does not even offer on those. It is also quite a bit faster than the Lexus offerings. The sound of the engine is also much nicer than the Lexus v8 even though it's a tt v6.

The 2.9t in this RS5 seems to pretty reliable/tough and is a shared engine with Porsche that has been used for a while now reliably. I also had my TB fail in the 4runner while hunting last year leaving me stranded in middle of nowhere so there can always be problems.

 

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All the power to you if you buy an Audi and it doesn't start falling apart in the 5-10 year range. I don't wish anyone bad luck but odds are that ride will be a maintenance black hole once the clock trips six-figures.

 

I think we can agree on something. In any car anything can fail between the front and rear license plate. The Audi has been used by a lot of European governments as fleet vehicles, police cars etc. They can run easily over 6 digits on the odometer with proper maintenance. 100k miles as the end of a car might be true for older US made vehicles but even an Italian FIAT or French Peugeot can run flawlessly over 120-180k miles.

 

Understandable and I used to feel the same way about Euros tbh but over the past few years they seem to have gotten better in the reliability department and are stepping up their game which made me take the jump. I did buy it used so it currently is just at the 5 year mark but it has been factory maintained and I still do keep it factory maintained, prebuying audicare besides the mods i added. I plan to keep it forever if possible by maintaining it well and not abusing it as I have never owned a car I liked so much inclusively(interior, exterior, driving). IMO key is don't abuse it and proper maintenance. Proper maintenance on those cars cost a bit more but its a small price to pay in the big picture.

Mods are much more expensive for euros of course but theyre usually very high quality pieces too.

I also treat the 4runner the same way with meticulous maintenance(do this one myself) as I plan to keep it forever too.

I agree with this. Even american cars are doing better these days with reliability. Every brand has bad models of course. I do feel in the case of Audi the R cars are a step above and built to a higher standard and usually more robust drivetrains so you don't see much mention of RS cars or R8's with problems. Similar to how LC's were built to a higher standard than other toyota's even within the brand itself.

 

Well, we can't agree on that. Ship of Theseus would start to come into play. One of my neighbors has a Stellantis product (Ram 1500) and he boasts that he has over 200,000 miles on it. I tell him that it's on its 2nd engine and has been at the shop since last week (it is still there for some unknown repair.)

Any vehicle can have almost unlimited life if you forever repair it - the maintenance black hole.

 

I really hope you get long, drama-free life out of it. There is no denying that it is a beautiful car.

 

There's a whole thread for this? https://www.4runners.com/threads/what-have-you-done-to-your-5th-gen-4runner-today.2261/

 

Your paying for the brand name.

After years and years Toyota sells on reliability. And prices it so high because they can and will sell. The TRD pro is sweet(imo). But the Tacoma is to small for me and the new 4runner isn't of my liking(but it's pretty cool).

 

Soon people will realize that if they go with the Korean brands, they might save 30-40% vs Toyota which can compensate the occasional repairs. But to be fair the 8-10 years warranty on Kia and Hyundai is pretty good deal. People won’t lose too much because as others stated above these aren’t exciting vehicles. The only reason people buy them is reliability and they’re like a Swiss Army knife.

 

Jeep Gladiator looks like Ass so does the new GX. Jeep reliability is Ass. Prices are out of control period. I looked at a Black 23 Pro 4runner at Larry Miller Yota in Peoria Az and they wanted over 70k. Every dealer in Az wanted a 10k markup for the Lime Rush color as well when it came out. Stupid.

 

Oh that's tempting! Soft top wouldn't be my first choice, but it's got the heated steering wheel and seats which are a must-have. I also even like the white.

Hmmm.....

 

Do it! Haha. I want to live vicariously through you. It would be so fun to be able to open the top on the trails in great weather... but then you'd need to drive that train-length thing and deal with the Jeep reliability issues. It's crazy to me how divergent the resale and values are for that vs the regular Wrangler. If I didn't care about reliability or practicality I'd personally be in a 2-door Defender. But I cannot deal with one even in warranty because of the nuisance of having to go back and forth to the dealer to get something sorted constantly.

 

Remember long, long ago (pre-pandemic)... when paying the straight up MSRP was even considered foolish for all but the most limited run and special models? When it was a question of how much your negotiating and deal structuring skills could get you off of MSRP? When equipped with the knowledge of what the dealership's cost of goods (invoice pricing) is, you could walk in and work at knocking thousands off of MSRP and then they'd add back in destination charge and dealer handling.... and you fight over that as well? Well, if we enter a recession, maybe that will re-calibrate the balance of power and consumer appetite for the current non-sense. But in an effort to get us back there directionally, I provide you with:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/g60412882/suv-4x4-off-roader-invoice-pricing/

You can clearly see the amount of margin per transaction. The Lexus GX, Toyota LC have some of the highest margins at MSRP at the moment so don't let them get you paying "market adjustments".

 

I bought my 4 runner in 2020 during the COVID pandemic and fortunately got $3k off the MSRP. In this economy I'm not sure I could afford a new one. These 50 /60/70 grand trucks would have me eating ramen noodles and hot dogs everyday pinching every penny from my paycheck

 

I still think it is foolish even today to pay MSRP. What's mostly going on is a psy ops. I am a market of one and could care less what the actual market is dictating. If a dealership wants my money, they will negotiate. End of story. The dealerships that didn't negotiate (which was all of them except one) didn't make a penny off me. The one that did negotiate made bunch of pennies to line their pockets and we both walked away happy.

 

Man this is so sad, why is Toyota doing this? Honestly $65k+ for either Taco or 4R TRD Pro is too much. Like others have said, Toyota will pay the price. I think in this case the Bronco Raptor will kill the Taco/4R sales. Yes I know Ford reliability can be iffy but let's be honest their V6 ecoboost engines have been around for a while now and has been ok reliability wise from what I've read. A V6 ecoboost in a Ranger makes it a monster vs the Taco/4R I4 i-Force with or without the hybrid. Hopefully Toyota wakes up and pulls a Tesla and lowers prices back to something more reasonable. This is just insane at this point and it makes me sad because I genuinely like the 6th gen but yeah I think $65k is too much. Hopefully the OR/ORP are more reasonable.

 

I will be watching this forum. If any of you clowns pay $60,000 or more for a new 4Runner, you're going to get yelled at.

 

Who cares about the prices of the 6th Gen? We are all driving 5th Gen's that should last a long time! I am just about three years and 60,000 miles in and I have only done oil changes, tire rotations, new tires at 53,000 miles and just replaced the window wipers. I'm about to turn 62 and I have every intention of driving this 4R for at least 15 years!

I paid $2,000 above MSRP in May of 2021 for a Lunar Rock Pro (cost $54,000) just when the market started to go up and paying above MSRP was becoming the norm on the Pro's. No regrets! I love this 4R! Nice to be perfectly content with a stock 4R!

 

It is just mind blowing that a Mercedes-Benz G-wagon destination charge $1150 from Austria vs Chevrolet $1995 from the USA. Good old American greed.

 

One thing when someone is doing something stupid but you don’t have to advertise it. Congratulations to your sales person! He f*cked you over so well that you’re still spinning around and smiling.