This rig is abysmal to drive on the interstate

Seemingly.

 

The 4R does make you pay more attention to the road at highway speeds, but it's not difficult to drive. I would never use the word abysmal to describe either of the 4Rs I've owned.

While driving, I sometimes forget if I'm in the Tundra or the 4R. This is a good thing given my 4R's platform was developed ~15 years ago. I only really notice when I need to accelerate harder, and the 4R doesn't go much.

I have 255s on and they really help with staying on higher gears on incline.

We've had 2 trips from Minnesota to California and I really enjoyed driving the 4R.

As for body roll, it can be wallow-y, but being smooth with the gas and brake pedals really does wonders with controlling how the suspension behaves.

 

I drove jeep wrangler a few times as rental car and that really drives awful on the highway. My 2023 has stock tires and it’s pretty stable on the highway below 80mph. So to answer OP’s question I don’t think it’s normal. The vibration is definitely not. Of course it’s sensitive for side wind since it’s a tall vehicle.

 

You can always buy a unibody, low profile wide tires with a big wheel size, lower ground clearance and center of gravity, wider-stance and lighter vehicle with slippery aerodynamics and and it will be a completely different driving experience.

I bought a truck and love the feel of driving a truck.

That said, I don’t find driving the 4Runner as bad as you describe so your truck might have some issues.

For me it is solid, stable, no vibrations or anything, comfortable, tracks straight. But you can’t change directions suddenly, wind does cause it to drift, but I can easily take highway twists at speed and such just entries and exits need to be smooth and not sudden.

 

Agreed. I'd say that an emergency maneuver at speed is not a strong suit.

 

Having driven a number of cars long-distances, the 4Runner (stock) doesn't really stand out much in highway ride quality to me in either direction.

It's softer, taller, a tad bouncier (I consider these neutral differences) but it tracks straight and doesn't require more corrections than I'm used to. And I considered the '16 Sorento it replaced and previous vehicles a fine highway cruiser - except maybe an '01 RAV4 but that was just OK. (I rented a third-gen Equinox once and the highway ride was fine too)

 

Even with every improvement possible/available, my diesel still has some DUI(Dodge Under the Influence) steering. The joke is you don’t steer an older straight axle Dodge, you guide it.
Our 5th gen 4R does get pushed around a little under high cross winds, it has a fair amount of side sail area. Other than that it drives just fine.

 

This is the reason I run studded winter tires now lol

 

2022 Off Road Premium 18k miles. Bought it new about 2 years ago, and i love everything about it …even how normally it tracks on the interstate, going 65-85mph. i came from a 2011 Nissan Titan and that was all road noise and rattle city. this runner just cruises down the road, so easy to keep it straight with just my pinky at the bottom of the wheel. sometimes I turn left, sometimes I turn right, always smooth and simple. theres also a constant hum in the car (not the steering wheel) from Pearl Jam or maybe some Allman Brothers. currently 12mph tail winds and i just step further into the skinny pedal, Moving Forward. awesomly fun to drive. i have had one alignment, new tires (Goodyear AT) and got them balanced. is this ride quality normal?

 

OP, I know exactly of which you speak. 21' SR5P. I put Michelin LTX's on it when new and even had the alignment checked while they were at it. It was always a handful out in the wind especially on the interstate. A good 30-40 mph crosswind was absolutely MISERABLE! Scary almost. Last week I had a set of Bilstein 5100's put on all around (+0.5" up front) by a competent 4X4 shop.

The ride difference is phenomenal. Side roads, interstate, nasty crosswinds, no problem. All of that 'bouncy house' B.S. is gone. It is planted to the road. Night and day. With your mileage you are probably at end of life on your factory shocks anyway which would make it that much worse.

That's what I did. I looked all around on the forums and it seemed like the natural progression of things to try. Much less expensive than upgrading to a GX......

 

I've got a 15 SR5, stock. I make 4 - 5 long road trips @ 75 - 85 mph in TX, NM, OK & CO. Other than during a pretty stout wind the truck tracks, rides and sounds fine.

And when it's windy ya just have to pay a little attention to your driving.

I know, I know, that's a radical idea. But I'm an envelope pusher...

 

"... or maybe some Allman Brothers."

RIP Dicky

 

I lived out in those parts for 20 years. I've never experienced getting blown around the road like that. I'm glad it is fixed now. Maybe I'm just getting old, which I am.

 

In response to your last paragraph, don't know if you've seen this:


Also, I've found it handles very well with a few hundred pounds of mulch and gravel in the back, very tight. So maybe it is just underdamped in the rear or something, like it's tuned for the payload but not the empty weight.

 

I just don’t get it. I have a 2011 SR5 with 167,000 miles on it and it’s rock solid on the road at any speeds or in corners.

no fancy upper or lower control arms just OEM, stock body bushings, stock upper and lower rear control arms, with the only change being Beilstein 5100 on all four corners and Falken WP 285/70/17.

 

im still waiting for white knuckle terror. Lol!! Looks like hes havign a blast!

 

My 4R drives fine at interstate speeds.

that being said, if you bought the 4R to only solo commute with nothing else in the vehicle, that's user error. No one should buy a GR86 and complain about its low ground clearance on oil lease roads.

 

Mine drives like a school bus. Plenty of play in the steering wheel, and wanders. I dont take it over 80, feels unsafe. Even the folks in unmodded passing me at 90, in a truck with stock tires and relatively crappy brakes.

Drive a new Tundra, and you will see night and day difference between a 4runner and it. Like others said, tho, I did build this vehicle for long highway trips or as a daily.

In on aftermarket control arms and Castor as good as it can get.

I recently rented a Rubicon in Sedona on 35s, and felt the same.

 

In this case, in kinda sounds like it might not be normal. It sounds like you have a lift? Do you have upper and lower control arms? Tons of variables on control arms and setup that could lead to actual looseness/play in the steering components

Did you mean stock 4runners are passing you at 90mph, implying that your modified 4runner should also be able to do that comfortably? Because the expectation should be the opposite…a lifted 4runner would be generally be considered less safe at higher speeds due to higher center of gravity, deeper compression travel, etc.

 

It's a truck. It isn't going to drive like a CRV. Know what you are getting into before you buy something and make sure to test drive it.

 

I can tell you that my 2017 SR5 Premium RWD is fantastic on the road. Haha. Seriously, that’s what I bought it for. It is silky smooth right up to 80 mph. Nice Michelin tires an 5100’s probably help. Still have to live with the average 17.6 mpg though.

 

OP made me doubt this truck. It drives fine guys. Your truck has some problem, OP!

https://youtu.be/u4zfk6eNfig?feature=shared

 

That was my point way back. I find the 4Runner lumbering compared to a close to the road sedan, but he said it's hard to keep going in a straight line. It should not do that at all regardless of lack of "performance" handling.

 

Yeah.
OP, do the Viper cut, come back and report, I'm sure you'll feel some improvement.

 

my lifted 4runner handles better than the stock version on and off the road. I am completely confident at any speeds on the highway, even at 80+.

 

KDSS. This is why I have it.

When I test drove, it was a very windy day. I test drove without first to see if it was worth the money. Test drive included interstate with 70mph speed limit and some crazy cross winds and it wandered like crazy. I'm sure I would have gotten used to it but suspension mods were several years down the road and to me it was worth the money.

Even lifted now with tons of top heavy weight I find the sedans and crossovers in front of me slowing down way more than I need to for curves

 

Pushed it too much today, I really got lucky. I was doing 70+ on a windy road. Just watched my dashcam and it is pretty scary. Be safe out there, don't push it too much. I would be in the hospital now if it wasn't for the kdss, 75 instead of 70 and I would be dead now

 

Can you elaborate on the conditions during this MPG? Instantaneous, highway, mixed, fully warmed or transitioning from cold to warm, etc.?

 

Step 1 - Phone a friend with an old worn out high mileage wrangler rubicon. Preferably with the 35 package and mudders.

Step 2 - Drive the wrangler on the freeway.

Step 3 - Go back and enjoy your newfound love of 4 Runner

 

Mostly stop and go suburban driving. About a 30 minute trip to work each way on the interstate averaging about 80mph. My foot is a little heavy too.