'18 Limited wheel help

Hi All,
I'd like to swap out the stock 20" Limited wheels for 17" TRD wheels. I'll deal with tires afterward but mostly wanted to make sure they fit. The Limited rims seem to be narrower and I'd like a wider stance. Also, is there a market for selling the 20's? Any advice?

 

I paid $675 shipped for my limited rims. I actually like the way the narrower rims track and sit under the fender better. But I’m putting my stock 16’s on for the winter....

 

That’s without lugnuts. Had to keep my stock 96’s...

 

I'd prefer to keep the 20's for snow tires, but I'd really like to know if I can put TRD 17's with a 265/70/17 on the Limited with no rubbing.

 

They will rub on the limited.

 

I have the OEM Toyota TRD wheels and 265/70/17 BFG KO 2's on my completely stock 2017 limited. 16,000 miles with absolutely zero fitment/rubbing issues. So no they will NOT rub on the limited.

 

Factory offset on the limited is 15mm, tire size is 245 width. TRD rims have 4 mm of offset plus tires are almost an inch wider. They will rub with this tire width and offset on a limited, its minimal at full lock and can usually be fixed by liner trimming. There is a reason the limited comes with a 7 inch wide rim and 245 tire while all the other models are 265.

Also for a winter tire in a 20 inch you have TWO choices to choose from. I decided to run 17 inch steel rims from Toyota with studded Hercules avalanche extreme tires with no issue

 

Not to be a creep, but would you mind sharing a pic?

 

Does the limited have a different liner or something different around the wheel wells than the other trims have? The TRD rim is also a 7 inch rim but as stated the off set is different. I wouldn't think a stock size rim and tire from a different trim model would rub on the Limited but it will be interesting to see who is right here...

 

Doesn’t make sense that so much would change to force a different wheel/tire setup. It should all be the same in that area

Edit: The 2012 sizes. The vehicle would be designed around the larger wheel and smaller/narrower wheels substituted accordingly

 

You cant talk tire size without talking rim offset, the two go hand in hand. Positive offset closer to wheel well and negative offset brings wheel outwards, backspacing plays a role as well. So running a 265 wide tire, instead of 245 (.79) of an inch wider, and combine that with a rim offset from +15 to +4 (TRD pro rims) will rub at full lock, no sword fight needed.

Now I am running a 265 wide tire on the limited for winter, but with proper offset it will NOT rub.

 

What I was saying is that all of the trims have the same wheel wells, so your rubbing should only becoming from your choice of tire (if you are using any of the stock wheels). Am I missing something?

 

Answer me this. Why does the limited model come factory with tire width of 245 but all other models come standard with 265. If all wheels are 7 inch wide, 5.5 backspace and 15mm offset and all of the trims have same wheel wells?

 

No you aren't. The only way you will run into trouble is with back spacing. Using a rim with less offset will allow you to use a fatter tire. Since the limited rim has a lot of offset you have to use a skinnier tire. The only question I have is if the wheel wells are different on the Limited? Which I don't think they are. Also the Trail/Offroad rims are 7.5"

 

In that conversation it doesn't mention what brand of tires are used. Also tires from different manufacturers of the same size can vary in size....see link. So that could be why this person had an issue. Honestly I think if you stick to stock size back spacing and tire size even if you have a minor rub, in reverse at full steering lock, it will be easily remedied.

https://www.tirebusiness.com/article/19990705/ISSUE/307059973/same-size-but-different-dimensions

 

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It does, owner specifically states Nokian rotiva tires, he is running 265/70/R17 tire size. Stock width on all models, except the limited which has 245. Both 245/60R20 and 265/70R17 are identical in diameter but vary .76 in width.

It's incorrect to state that running lower offset will allow a fatter tire. With the limited that's exactly what's creating rub in reverse, going from 15 to 4.

As I stated I am running a 265/70R17 tire on my limited without rubbing but that relates to my rim offset.

Running a 265 wide tire(and I understand tire width varies by manufacturer) on a limited with the popular TRD rims (17x7 +4 offset) will rub.

No one has yet to answer my original questions to as why the limited trim package comes with 245 wide tires instead of 265 assuming engine, drivetrain, wheel well etc is all the same.

And by suggesting I stick to stock size, should I only run a 245 wide tire on my limited? Or with 15 offset, 4.5 backspacing 17 x 7 rim jump up to a 265 wide tire with no issue

Thanks

 

The point of that link I posted was even though the tire states the same size from any given manufacturer, the diameter can vary up to an inch either way. That is a lot!

For example...A 265/70/17 from BFG can be an inch taller or an inch shorter than say a 265/70/17 from Hancook. The regulations allow this variation to be legal and part of the manufacturing process.

 

Fair enough. But someone please tell me why the limited has 245 wide tires?!?! A lot of other models run the same offset +15 but with 265 wide. Thanks

 

Well I believe it's like you said, with 15 offset the tire has to be skinny or it will rub.

 

Normally, I would agree with you. However, you can see from attached image that all three factory rim options ( 2 17 inch and 1 20) all have the same offset, +15. The TRD pro rims are the only ones that differ at +4.

One model is running a wider rim, 7.5 inches, with the same + 15 mm offset. Assuming same backspace that would make the problem worse.

Is it possible due to styling the limited has different wheel wells, maybe different brake calipers etc.

 

FYI...The Monroney Label on my 2019 Limited lists the rim as 7.5 inches wide. Also, How do we make sense of ridetime reporting that he has run 265/70/17s on the popular Toyota TRD 7x17 wheels, for 16K miles with no robbing, while dowdib insists that wheel/tire combo always rubs?

 

I've seen you comment on several tire related topics related to tire size and rubbing on the limited.

You should note that I'm not insisting that combo always rubs, you quoted that ridetime has 16,000 miles rub free miles but you fail to mention that grumpy uncle and linxur had rubbing with same combo. Grumpy uncle installed a mild lift and now has no rubbing.

This is due in fact to the profile of the tire ridetime is running, a bf Goodrich. You should also note that not all 265 measure to be the same width.

What you can't dispute is that moving from 15 to 4 offset will move your tire closer to suspension components, and that moving from stock tire width on limited from 245 to 265 is wider. For most, depending on tire choice, you will rub in reverse at full lock.

You are also not limited to a 245 wide tire on a 17 inch rim, I am currently running a 265/70/17 on my limited with no issue because of correct rim offset. Running this same tire on the TRD rim with different offset will rub for me.

Answer me why the limited comes with a 245 wide tire and all other models come with a 265?

You've seen enough posts on this subject to know I'm not fabricating it, it does happen. If it doesn't for you, perfect.

Also I'm pretty sure that limited 4 runners from 2014 to 2019 all run the same rim, 6x5.5 4.5 backspacing and 20 x 7 rim. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but your limited rims are 7 inch wide if they are stock.

 

I'm not actually intending to argue with your claim that they (mathematically, they would seem to; and many members of different forums have said their's rub--so most of what's shared, as well as one website I included in a post, where they include offset in the calculations) must rub. The point I'm most interested in is why, in the face of both the math and many personal reports, the correct answer to this (most likely it's your position) hasn't just become common knowledge. But, equally curious to me, is the apparent fact that, somewhat unique to tires, I'm gathering, there is no way to ask tire professionals everywhere and discover that they also know this. But even allowing for that, it seems like seriously dysfunctional business transactions if a customer asks a tire store professional if the 265/70/17 will fit their Limited without rubbing, get a "yes," then have them installed and rub at the extremes (which could be determined while the vehicle is still at the tire shop) and then tire stores, if I'm understanding you and others, appear to feel they can just shrug and say "bad luck; sorry I told you the product I sold you would do X and wouldn't do Y, but tough. See you." Is that actually what happens?

 

A lot of dealers and tire shops will only guarantee fitment if you are sticking with stock tire size.

That's the issue I had with winter tire selection, we all know that stock tire size is 245/60/R20 but I wanted to run a 17 inch option for winter. Only two winter tires come in a 20 inch option.

I also wanted to stick with factory width as a narrower tire performs better in winter conditions but the only 17 inch option I was provided was 265/70/R17 as that's what's standard on most 4 runner models and showed up in a search.

Any tire size calculator will tell you that a 245/75/R17 is the same diameter and width as stock and would also work just fine.

 

This is copied straight off the window sticker (Monroney Label) on my 2019 Limited:

· Wheels: 20" x 7.5" Unique Dual 6-Spoke Alloy

 

They must of changed for 2019, my limited rims are 7 inch, I see the specs on the unique rims are 7.5

Both are running same tire size at 245/60/R20

 

I initially thought that, and put Continental LT245/75/17s on the TRD wheels—which elicited this post:

“Why would you go with a 245/75/17? That's a smaller tire than the 4R came with from the factory. 265/70/17 is the stock size for the 4R with a 17" wheel. Either way, it likely looks silly but will absolutely not harm anything. Just a bad tire choice and drop in economy for no reason.”

So, I’ve been second-guessing that decision, although I’m not sure which dimension is smaller, except maybe by 0.1 inch in diameter. In that state of mind, I’ve revisited this with my dealership’s parts dept, and two tire stores, all three of whom recommend I change (Continental has an exchange trial period) to 265/70/17 (and not LT). I really grilled one tire place about the rubbing and they said they do this all the time and there’s no problem. So, I’ve been considering General Grabber AT/X (the exchange limits me to Continental or General) in size 265/70/17. Saturday, I’m going to that store and my intention is to ask them what they’d do if they were wrong and the tires rubbed in reverse at full turn. If they say they’d put my LT245/75/17s back on, then I’ll let them try it. If not, I can either stick with the Continental’s or switch to the General’s LT245/75/17, since neither has that size in a P rather than LT version.

To be honest, if I didn’t have myself locked into Continental/General, I’d get Falken Wildpeak A/T3, which does come in a P version 245/75/17, is slightly wider, at 9.8 inches, and weighs 41 lbs, vs my current Continental’s 52 lbs.

 

dowdib, also in your email

Are these your stock rims?

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