Release delayed lol

Lol a collectable 4runner? Never will happen

 

Thats crazy, taco is down 50 percent and still top.

 

If they were planning on releasing in Oct, the factory lines are already set up, the parts are already designed and being manufactured. But yah maybe they will change a few similar parts at point of failure for these existing vehicles, before releasing new 4Runner.

 

The resources needed probably aren't related to vehicle assembly. 100K engines will consume all their raw aluminum purchases that they had earmarked for other products. Also their machining and engine assembly teams will be devoted to building new engines for a year just to produce these extra engines.

 

I think they just stopped 5th gen production (maybe a month ago) and were probably retooling the lines. I don’t think any new production would take place till July/August, as I think that’s when the new model years are produced to hit the lots in August/September. As I type this, I’m thinking that I may be confusing this with the Tacoma Schedule.

 

^Do you recall if there were any interruption going from GX460 to GX550 production? The Tahara plant tour video earlier made it seem as though there was no interruption - a GX460 frame and GX550 frame were shown being dipped in the treatment tank in the same cradle.

 

Because that’s what they do. The new Tacoma release was a mess too with port holds that Toyota still never released why although most assumed it was due to the grille shutter issue. Why can’t they just be honest with their customers that are going to spend $50-60K on a vehicle. Nothing pisses me off more than being lied to.

 

all truck sales numbers are abysmal and none of the Toyota trucks have hit quotas except for the 5th gen even the prado j250 is sitting on lots going for below msrp

I own a second gen Tacoma (4.0 v6 same engine as our 4Runner) even non enthusiasts aren’t a fan of the new Tacoma they think it’s overpriced and they don’t like the turbo 4cylinder, Toyotas success has always been antiquated tech, both the Tacoma and v8 tundra had worst in class numbers regarding payload and towing but people bought them because of out dated dead to rights reliability

even people who never owned a Toyota their whole life know Toyota is known for reliability

Let’s say Toyota gets their shit together and irons out the kinks in all these new gens, I guarantee none of them will last as long as their predecessor na engines nor be as cheap to maintain

 

That’s exactly why I own two Toyota’s. I’m not sure if I will buy another with the direction the company seems to be headed. Maybe another 5th gen.

 

You can't guarantee that

 

yes it’s physics, Toyota na engines are low revving low stress hence why they get shit mileage and are slow af but reliable

the new taco is almost 5,000 pounds and the 4Runner will weigh more, you have a 2.4 liter turbo pushing that much weight and we are not even going to bring all the electronics into the equation but you need energy to pull all that weight and energy equals heat which equals wear so yes even if you do 5k mile oil change intervals a 2.4 turbo will not make it to 400k miles like a na 1gr can and has multiple times

there are already a few guys on tacomaworld who put 35s on their 2.4 turbo Tacoma and have overheating issues on the transmission while doing daily driving not even off roading

 

It's still your opinion. It may be likely, but you can't guarantee it without a crystal ball.

The new engines will most likely be reliable enough for the vast majority of buyers, who don't put 400k on a truck with 35s. I feel like a lot people on this site (at least a vocal group) trades their vehicles obsessively anyway, and may not even see 100k.

Hell, we bash Chevrolet and others incessantly for their lack of reliability, yet people continue to buy them and we see them on the road (often as work trucks). You really think a new Toyota is going to be worse than them in the long run? Because that's all that really matters to people when you look outside of an enthusiast community.

 

You are making 2 assumptions that we dont have any data to either prove or disprove:
#1 - That the exisitng engines will be completely scrapped and not repaired
#2 - That in the event of scrapping they wont melt the blocks down and reuse the aluminum

You are making the common misconception that revs are the only contribution to engine stress. While it is true that all else being equal under ideal conditions, for 2 identical engines one being run at low rev and one at high rev with equal loads the high revving engine will create more frictional wear.

But that's not the real world. For "low speed engine #1" to make the same power as "high speed engine #2" it has to generate a lot more torque which equals higher cylinder pressures (high BMEP) which puts a lot more stress on everything. Thats why these modern turbo engines with tons of low end torque tend to have more problems with bearings, rods, valves etc because its all putting a lot more load on stuff than the old style of naturally aspirated low torque engines that had to be revved high to make power.

Its the same reason why lugging the engine in (edit) high gear cause a lot more wear and tear overall than downshifting and letting it rev.

This "revs = bad" is a myth/urban legend that just wont die dating back to the 60s muscle car era.

There are people out there who bought a truck and installed an unsupported after market part it wasn't designed for and had a problem. How exactly is that Toyota's fault?

 

Everything is good here, but I think you mean lugging it in a high gear (like 4th, when you should be in 2nd, for example). It gets a little confusing because the higher gears have lower gear ratios, which may be what you were thinking of. (Or maybe I'm saying it wrong, I don't know).

 

Exactly

 

Your correct, I wrote it wrong... high gear, low reduction ratio. Edited.

 

Can see some 5th gen 4Runners in this vid from 7 months ago. Gives a good idea of all the complexities at the plant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikKByP6H_58

 

I thought Toyota confirmed that they will be replacing all of the engines with new ones. I don’t think they are going to be installing manufactured engines.
The old engines will definitely get recycled but I doubt the metal will end up back with Toyota though.

 

I agree. I would think that the ramifications of them building new vehicles with remanufactured parts wouldn't be worth the risk. Especially the political fallout (not politics in general, but business politics). That's something that any manufacturer would find expensive to recover from.

 

This is amazing! Definitely have a new appreciate for the details that have gone into these vehicles now.

 

You'd think Toyota has plenty of experience with rear disc brakes, right? https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/24-tacoma-ruptured-brake-line.837788/

 

Well, you don't have to buy a 4cyl 4Runner, Jeep still has the V6 in the Wrangler...

 

Yeah, but it's still a Jeep!

 

Are the Taco and Tundra engines built in the same plant as the 4Runners? I thought these vehicles were built in North America. If it is indeed machining debris causing the failures, hopefully the Japanese production would have better QC. I imagine used 5th gen value went up a couple points with this announcement.

 

WTF? Why did they route the flex line so freakin close to the inside of the wheel?

 

Or a Passport / Ridgeline, just saying.

 

WTF. I guess they should have stuck with drum brakes for the Tacomas. This is ridiculous. Toyota needs to go back to focusing on building quality vehicles instead of focusing on edgy designs and gimmicks like bouncy Pro seats.

 

When the 3rd gen came out, every one freaked out and bitched Toyotas cheap, drum brakes in the rear still. Even though Mike Swears said it was better for off roading, people still whined and cried cheap Toyota.

well, they change the tried and true and here we are.

 

To be fair, there are lots of vehicles with rear discs that aren't designed this stupidly (Toyotas included). So it's not really a problem with getting rid of the Taco's drums, it's picking a goofy design.

On the other hand, I am curious if there were ever any real issues from the rear drums. I know people bitched about them a lot, but I think it's mostly perception.

 

Tundra engines are built in the US but the same Lexus engines are built in Japan and both are part of the recall. Another reason why it’s not machining debris and is a design problem.