Gen 7 electric?

I’m thinking I’d go for an electric runner, if it had 300+ mile range and could push big tires up hills and through mud and sand. Not sure what I’d pay for it though, but if affordable I would.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FxmoVM7X4

 

So in 2039/2040ish.

 

Neat

 

I hope sooner, and at a better price point. Isn’t hope grand? Lol

 

I would pass on the electric even with 400mi+ range. But hydrogen, absolutely.

 

It's probably gonna be a while. I'd sooner look at what electric options come down the pipeline or maybe if that Ranger PHEV shows up or Toyota shoves a PHEV powertrain in more vehicles.

 

Toyota still hasn't got the 6th gen on lots...

 

Yep, and if you run low on battery you can just bring along a spare can of electrons.

 

Nah.

 

Just carry a gas generator and your set.

 

Boom! "Poor" man's plug-in hybrid!

Paired with charging stations an sites where you wouldn't disturb anyone with it that doesn't sound like the worst especially since one could run HVAC all night without trouble.

One would probably be limited by how much gas you can bring though.

 

I would consider one. I've driven an EV and enjoyed the experience, but as a poor with no way to charge at home, infrastructure and charging time will have to improve before it's practical.

 

I would put in a home charger, but even if I didn’t there are more and more places to charge. Our little (tourist) town has 2 free chargers.

 

In Texas, our power grid is stretched to the max already. Our politicians talk a lot about solving the problem, but they never actually do anything about it. And it's getting worse by the day as more and more people move here. Widespread adoption of electric vehicles will only exacerbate the problem. I'd hate to depend on an electric vehicle in such circumstances.

Personally, I think the public has been sold a bill of goods on EV's. Everyone focuses on how much cleaner an EV runs than an ICE vehicle. But nobody calculates the total energy cost of an EV compared to an ICE vehicle. Not just the energy to operate it, but the total cost to manufacture the vehicle and the batteries, including how much coal or natural gas has to be burned to generate the electricity to charge and re-charge the batteries and to recycle and/or dispose of the batteries, etc.

 

Agreed. Burning fossil fuels to generate electricity doesn’t pencil out.

 

And the mining of the battery components. EV migration is a pipe dream. Hydrogen perhaps within a decade or two.

 

Welcome to the forum from North Carolina
As another would say "LOL".

 

Texas' power grid is a political/deregulation problem, not a population, car problem so it can be solved but it's outside the scope of this thread.

Also worth noting that if equipped, folks can tap into their big batteries to power their homes and ride out an outage. But it's not limited to pure-electrics - hybrids can get in one it too like the F-150 Lightning.

Pound for pound, electricity as a fuel source obviously isn't magical and individual transport will always be an overall drag but is a net plus, even accounting for manufacturing, power generation (even if it was coal), etc. Plenty have done the calculations and it's still in favor of EVs when talking equivalent vehicle.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/electric-pickup-trucks-are-dirtier-than-you-think


"Estimated CO2 and greenhouse gas emissions of various vehicles by mileage | The Drive"

So a smaller vehicle will always be a plus over a larger one, regardless of powertrain but we're Americans!

Of course it does, the point is to have a healthy mix of sources that can always change. Detractors have been claiming one big tailpipe isn't better than thousands of smaller ones for decades but these plants don't need to worry about stop/go traffic and have the efficiencies of scale on their side. And the grid as a whole can take advantage of improved power generation methods while nobody is running around to bolt a wind turbine onto our engines.

There was a picture of a diesel-powered charging station in the Australian(?) outback going around. Looks dumb right? But it's not.

It's for less-trafficked edge-cases and won't be a primary charging source for large numbers of people. (and even if it is, using an F-150 Powerboost to charge a BMW i3 netted an estimated 23 MPG from TFL's semi-scientific test.)

Of course, there will always be a place for gasoline/diesel/whatever as the energy in a single gallon will continue to be hard to beat.

There's no way hydrogen will be feasible for the nation in even 20 years. Even in the areas you can get away with it in California, you have to contend with station availability. Factors include "what generation station you’re going to, how busy it gets and the temp of the day"

It's energy-intensive to generate, transport, has to be cooled at the station to some crazy low temperature (was it -40, -50 C?) due to the pressures involved and it was stupid expensive. These cars often come with something like $15,000 of fuel included but doing the math it came out to something like $0.25 (or was it $0.45, don't quote me on that) per mile with at least last year's cost of hydrogen per kilogram in my relative's Nexo.

It was certainly cool though.

Shell just dumped their hydrogen filling station effort too, some metro areas are down to maybe one or no stations. https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/10/shell-shuts-down-its-us-hydrogen-filling-stations/ The article notes 3,143 hydrogen vehicles were registered in 2023, less than 1% of the battery-electric cars registered that same time period so they're hardly a pipe dream. Just a different set of compromises. We already have electricity (almost) everywhere, it's a matter of charging.

 

Back to a 4R EV idea,…..common knowledge EVs’ weigh considerably more than their ICE counterpart. The going in mud and sand might not be the best and their battery pack is carried low, also not the best for wheeling. If you flood or damage the pack it probably won’t end well….$$$.

 

One big flat skid underneath and it will slide right on through.

 

An ev that gets a range of 300 miles on the highway in the best of conditions will probably only get a 75 mile range off road.

 

And make it even heavier.

 

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/here-are-10-electric-roaders

 

I wonder when they have their first meeting or team set for the 7th gen.

 

Quite likely progression - 6th gen hybrid, 7th gen BEV, probably timed to coincide with the ICE new vehicle ban in 2035.

Toyota is behind on BEVs because Akio didn't believe in it (Toyota's board forced him into retirement as a result). A production example of "hardcore electric off-roader" already exists in the form of the Mercedes EQG. The industry just has to figure out how to make it cheaper over the next 9 years.

 

Probably already planned it out years ago

 

So your electrical panel has space and is of adequate size to add a significant load? Or you're gonna upgrade your electrical service and replace your panel to add an EV charger?

Just asking, I'm not sure what other areas of the country have for electrical services but around here, unless it's a new build, most houses have a 100A service which generally speaking does not have adequate additional capacity to add an EV charging station (I mean, if you charge after dinner and dont do laundry when you're charging, you'd probably be fine if you have enough spare breaker slots...)

Around here, you would be fine charging as long as you stay on the I95 corridor but the trip I took yesterday was more miles than most EV ranges and no chargers at all along the way (nevermind that I wouldnt drive most EV's or even most ICE cars down some of the roads I was on (scouting trailheads for hiking))

I mean, he was right, it is not the solution...

 

https://youtu.be/CVLLNjSLJTQ?si=IQ3Rqb8jkwjGbwDx&t=451

It's timestamped at 7:31 if you (or really anyone) is interested in learning about smart breaker panels and how they can help you make the most of 100A service with a running list of appliance priority without upgrading service.

The TL;DW is that your hypothetical AC, electric stove, electric dryer, car, etc. aren't necessarily all run simultaneously. With 24 hours in a day to play with, there's a lot of flexibility in there especially overnight when a car would charge and the typical person is likely not drying clothes and cooking at the same time.

This covers home appliance electrification, not targeting adding an electric car primarily but it's in there. Of course if you have gas appliances you have more leeway to run them all at once.

Neat channel too with deep dives on jukeboxes to dishwashers, to even North America's notable lack of requiring amber turn signals. I know his content's a little