2024 Landcruiser Engine Performance

I mean, in 2021 as an 12 year old model, it sold more units than any other year in its history. And in 2023, it sold almost as much again as a 14 year old model, more than it ever did as a new redesign model or most other years. So I don’t know, that’s kind of unheard of, especially so in a car that’s spanned over three car generations in a single model.

Wish they’d keep it around like they did the F70, call it 4Runner Classic and sell it alongside the new one or something.

 

You're not alone. Maybe if the new one looked better people would be happier to see the 5th gen go. I was looking forward to a new version, but I really thought they could have done better.

 

The cynic in me thinks that this is by design. The powertrain is already shared with LC. If they do a good job with the re-design it would compete more with LC and cannibalize? I know price points are different but there is bound to be some overlap with higher trim 4R and lower trim 1958 LC.
You get the cheaper 4R with same power train but meh looks. Ofcourse, this is subjective, but as you, I thought they could have done better with 6th gen than they did.

 

Agree. The more I dig into the details on the LC, the less I think it offers any additional value compared the 4runner. At least for how I’ve come to enjoy using my 4runner.

The increased mpg sounds nice, but it comes at the price of the weight and complexity of the hybrid components. I suspect the mpg advantage may completely disappear with slightly oversized tires and additional armor weight. I mean, not that it will be lower than stated LC250 epa mileage, but that mpg will be very similar to a similarly modified 5th gen. The reason I think it will drop off like that is because a the gearing change of bigger tires and weight may actually cut the entire hybrid functionality out of the loop.

But whether the mpg on it will drop into to 16-17mpg range will depend on how they program the hybrid aspects to work under different loads/conditions. But so far, nothing tells me the LC or the Tacoma are designed with nothing but “normal” use in mind.

Maybe the 4runner will be different, but i’m not feeling it. It seems toyota was highly focused on the “shared” aspect of shared platforms when it comes to the Tacoma, LC250, and what we know about the 6th gen.

Throw in the significant failures across the shared platform vehicles, and there is reason to question reliability. Hopefully, the failures are teething pains that will be sorted out, but it’s disappointing.

I’m not devastated though…since I’m very happy I have a 4runner, and that it can do the variety of things I do with it so well. I still can’t believe what this thing can do with a small lift and armor, and hope I can keep mine on the road for as long as I want to (which is probably a long time).

Some here have mentioned the Grenadier, from a completely new manufacturer, doesn’t really represent an additional reliability risk compared to the new Toyota models on the shared platform. I’d say, (for now) that seems to be true. If I had money, I’d be seriously considering a grenadier. However, knowing what I know, it also can’t do what the 5th gen can do, in terms of it’s packaging, and internal vs external dimensions. I truly don’t understand how the LC and grenadier are bigger outside, but smaller and less useful/configurable inside than a 5th gen.

 

To me it’s not only about miles per gallon. It is about miles per dollar. In Austin, TX the price difference between regular and standard fuel would be anywhere from $1 to $1.60 per gallon. Which effect more than offsets any MPG gain you get. Your dollar spend per mile is equal or higher to the 4Runner.

I was thinking about this when thinking of getting a Civic Si for a fuel saver as an additional daily. It gets over 30MPG which is easily 80% more savings than my 4Runner. But the fuel cost is 53% higher. So I’m only spending 27% less, so $73 with the Si per every $100. The MPG figures make it seem like I’d spend $40 per every $100 in the 4Runner. That’s a significant difference. MPG does not mean as much as MPDollar.

 

I’ve said earlier in the thread but in my state the cost delta between reg vs premium is 24-27% as of today. So it’s easy, does the Landcruiser get 24-27% better MPGs? Not based on many real world reports and it would need to exceed that for any gas savings given price. I get 18 MPGs city and 22 highway on a stock (but with roof rack and sliders) TRD Pro. Obviously with a 3” lift and 285s it would go down but the same would apply for a Landcruiser. But in my case a Landcruiser would need to be getting 22-23 city and 27-28 highway MPGs just to MATCH my 4Runner in fuel costs. Frankly given its 17.9 gallon fuel tank, it really needs to be getting those types of numbers for the tank range to be acceptable too.

 

I recently drove a rental Suburban with 4WD and the 5.3l V8. Made my 4Runner feel like it has zero power, has more range, and similar gas mileage. Now, I know nobody is cross-shopping Suburbans and 4Runners, and I know that Chevy products might make it to100k miles vs the 5th gen, but still, my next truck might have me looking at alternatives.

 

GM has been fairly consistent quality wise with their full size trucks and truck based SUVs. With Toyota completely dropping the ball on the Tundras and Sequoias, the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban lineup is a viable alternative to the Sequoias for some time to come. I would not choose them over the V8 Sequoias but as new MY offerings, they are very competitive.

 

I don’t know about the current suburbans but earlier ones could easily last 200K miles. They were very reliable.

 

GMT800 and GMT900 based suburbans were tough SOBs and while not as refined, are arguably better family hauler value wise than say, Sequoias. The newer ones with the AFM V8s can be a little finicky with lifters if they are idled a lot, but they are the last one standing with a NA V8 full size SUV now that Hemis, 2URs, etc are all gone.

 

I mean these are all sensible and sober reasons why it would make sense for you to consider a Suburban. Seems like you are well aware of what you’re getting and why… unlike people who are saying the “Landcruiser 250 just blows the doors off of the 5th Gen 4Runner in every way…” and aren’t grounded in facts. It’s a fact that the Suburban has far more power, range and similar gas mileage as well as far more cargo capacity and seating. It can tow a heck of a lot more as well. ESP with the third row in use and not knocked down and out of the way, they swallow way way more cargo than a Sequoia too.

 

Anything I've read has been mixed at best. If anything, the loudest voices seem more disappointed than anything. Anyone raving about it like that is probably just trying to make themselves feel better about their decision.

Aside from the obvious power advantage, I didn't really find it all that amazing. I think it's a nice overall vehicle, though. And, definitely worth considering if one is in the market for a 6th gen 4Runner.

As far as Chevy's; I have a V8 Silverado for work, and it definitely hauls ass. And, it gets really good fuel economy, especially considering how I drive it. With the cylinder deactivation motors, we've had some issues with valvetrains. Mine is over 50K miles without issue, though, so maybe I got a good one.

I'd buy a full size from any of the big 3, honestly. Definitely Dodge for diesel, and a toss-up between Ford and Chevy for a 1500.

 

Also, I totally agree about GM SUV's as a great option for big family haulers. They've had a few duds here and there, but they make solid vehicles, overall.

 

I had an 89 square body v2500 suburban. Was a great truck.

 

Yeah, the Suburban with all 3 rows up has the same storage as the 5th gen 4Runner with just two rows. Not as hard to park as you'd think, as well! I used to park my old 89 Suburban on the street in San Francisco. Neighbors hated me of course.

 

Yeah, the cylinder deactivation is the only part of the current GM V8s that I don't trust. I can't say they're all bad, but they do seem to fail before 100k. Maybe that only people with the failure talk about it, you know?

 

There's definitely something to this. Bad news always travels the fastest.

We have probably 40-50 vehicles with newer GM V8's, and we keep buying them. Even though I know my company is owned by Chevy guys, they're not dumb. If this were happening in every vehicle, we'd have switched brands by now.