Last of the V6s?

So all in all....those are improvements to my 4.0 V6 from the 06 Tacoma? This is a good thing?

 

thats correct
well
with the exception of the oil filter.... Its a rechargable element in a plastic cup, you unscrew the cup and pull the filter element out, and put in a new filter element and o-ring and tighten the plastic cap back up.
I have personally had the oil change place break two of my plastic caps, which results typically in oil all under the vehicle once you hit the road and a large growing puddle of oil in your garage until you find it and rush somewhere to get it fixed, and at least a half dozen people i know have had it happen as well. I now own the aluminum cap and put anti-seize on the threads occasionally.

 

LOOL, That must be why many 3rd gen Tundra owners are going back to 2nd gen Tundra's. I believe that Toyota will certainly refine their new generation engines, but do not believe you will be able to achieve 300,000+ miles with basic services and hard usage.

 

I don't believe you will be able to achieve 300,000+ miles if it's in a structure fire, or if you drive it into a river and it's covered in a silt bed. I mean no one is talking about doing those things, and that's not what this thread is about, but still, ammirite? And, don't get me started on the relationship between why many 3rd gen Tundra owners are going back to 2nd gen Tundras, and the price of rice in China, again, ammirite?

 

If y’all haven’t been following what’s going on with the 3rd gen tundra it’s a 3 year old platform with a massive recall (same for the Lexus with the same v6 engine) the main bearings have a catastrophic failure issue so Toyota is rebuilding engines left and right (they will not give you a brand new long block but a used engine or rebuild yours)

the new 4cylinder Tacoma is having major issues with transmission (same engine and transmission the new 4Runner will get)

Toyota has been reliable because their engines were overbuilt and low stress albeit underpowered. The new 4Runner will be almost 6,000 pounds so you’ll be spooling and high revving that turbo and 4cylinder engine all its life, that’s wear and tear and physics no matter how “well built” it is so no it will be nowhere reliable or have the longevity as the na engines, will it be faster and more fuel efficient sure but not as long lasting and you bet the bill will be astronomical from the stealership or your neighborhood mechanic. The engine bay looks like an absolute pain in the ass nightmare to diy simple stuff like spark plugs etc

 

What sort of comparison are you trying to make? Hard usage can be as simple as towing/hauling, Frequent stop and go traffic, off roading and other various activities. Lets also not forget common modifications such as larger tires and overlanding equipment that is common on many 4Runners on the road and only add to the weight and stress to the vehicle.

The fact our owners manual tells us to modify service intervals accordingly indicates the amount of wear and tear these activities have on vehicles and smaller, more complex engines with forced induction, hybrid systems and lightweight materials will not be the solution to this.

This is also the reason previous Toyota small N/A engines such as the 2.4L and 2.7L were such great engines. They were simple old school technology, they were not great on fuel and lacked power. The absolute opposite of what we are seeing on new Toyota models.

 

You do realize that auto companies can't make low power antique motors anymore right?

 

I'm not.

 

I wonder if it might be smart to order a spare plastic cap or two to carry in my new 4Runner. (Honestly haven't really taken a look) OR, maybe I should look into a replacement aluminum cap? I wonder if doing so would void my warranty somehow?

 

That is thanks to ridiculous fuel economy and emissions regulations. Many of us still around who prefer reliability over fuel economy.

 

Anyone have a link for the replacement/spare plastic cap on the oil filter? Amazon? There's mention of a replacement metal housing?

 

Can get it on Amazon. You have to replace the stalk thing in the middle with the one in the plastic filter housing, so it says it won’t fit on the listing even though it will.

$30 Toyota Oil Filter Cap - 15620-31060

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008BHP68A?ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

 

Karen?

 

What the hell are you talking about?
The 2RZ-FE 2.4L in any of the 1996-2004 2wd tacomas would get 22-24mpg barely breaking a sweat, with a good driver with a light foot you could get 27-28mpg
The 3RZ-FE 2.7 in any of the 1996-2004 4wd tacomas would get 18-24mpg depending on how you drove it and it had plenty of power. I owned a 2002 and 2003 2wd, and a 2004 4wd and ended up with a 2.7L in my 2003 2wd. My 4wd 2004 towed all sorts of stuff including other vehicles on a car hauler with absolutely zero problem. Their gearing and power was sufficient at doing anything they were asked.

HOWEVER.... The current models have more power on paper, and nearly half the fuel economy but dont actually do the job much better or differently than the older models did. Do you care to try to explain this one to me?

 

No, but I had a crush on Karen in elementary school.

 

I bought the aluminum cap
#1) it has four different methods to remove it, a 3/8" drive square, a pipe wrench, and an oil filter wrench, and a strap wrench.
If you were to strip the square post out of it, you can put a strap wrench on it. If you broke the ears off it for the strap wrench, its still cast like an oil filter so an oil filter wrench fits on the bottom. If you managed to mess all 3 of those, the base is nice and round for a pipe wrench and you can wrench on it without busting it into pieces like the plastic cap. Most people break the plastic cap wrenching on them re-installing and wrench a little too tight and bust the cap, it normally cracks around the bottom. You would be smart to have a spare, but whoever broke it should pay to replace it, but nobody keeps them on hand and its normally going to ruin a day or two waiting on the part to get in. If you get the aluminum one, you can pretty much forget the issues at all and keep your plastic one as a spare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNBAnOJbCM&ab_channel=TwistedJake

 

Ok but new vehicles won't be made with old school motors anymore

 

Emissions emissions emissions

 

Buy yours while you can!

 

I do believe the 5th gen 4runners( 2020+) will hold their value extremely well. Especially mostly stock, unmolested and with 100k miles or less.

 

I recommend re-reading my post. I pointed out the older small displacement engines being good because of old school technology. They also did not have the same ridiculous fuel economy and emissions standards to live up to.

Emissions regulations often kill fuel economy. Look back at many diesels as an example than got stellar fuel economy without DEF and whatnot. Lets also not forget that a 1996 Tacoma weighs 2,560lbs while a 2024 is 4,265lbs.

 

Bingo!

 

Maybe you meant to leave out the "not" in your "not great on fuel"

I have seen you make this same comment on the board before, you are comparing a 2wd regular cab weight versus a 4wd double cab weight. This is far from apples to apples, you are comparing a small light weight 2wd regular cab versus a new 4wd double cab. Thats not a good comparison on weight. I have owned practically every vehicle Toyota has made and weighted them all because i am curious as any. My 2003 2wd regular cab was about 2700 and my 2008 double cab pre-runner was 4100.

2024 Toyota double cab 4wd 5ft bed - 4265
2012 Toyota regular cab 4wd 6.1ft bed - 3665
2012 Toyota regular cab 2wd 6.1ft bed - 3270
2004 Toyota regular cab 2wd ------------ 2770

 

Can you try to explain, how fuel economy regulations make vehicles make poorer fuel mileage?
How do you take a vehicle that gets 25mpg, hit it with some fuel mileage regulations, and it now cant get over 18mpg?
This logic just does not add up on paper.