A-Trac is a must for our IFS

I've got a V8 4th gen, which uses a similar (possibly same) AWD transfer case with hi/lo and an LSD+ locking center. Off camber like you described you'd be stuck without TRAC/ATRAC.

 

That was exactly my point, although it (w)should never be 100% since it's likely only able to send somewhere closer to 70%.

 

Am I the only one noticing all these vehicles going around a closed gate...?

 

But that was exactly my point and we're talking about the same thing.

You have three main kinds of failures:

1. Wear/Age/Abuse/Accident. No big deal, replace it and move on.
2. Manufacturing defect. No big deal in small numbers.
3. Design failure. Big deal and it's what we're all talking about here.

When the person above said it's no big deal, it is a very big deal if there aren't obvious problems because that typically points to #3 and that seems to be what they're saying. Abuse is the common cause of CV failures but it's rare to break them in stock form just driving like they did in that clip. It's not just simple torque that busts shafts, it's shock-load and I don't remember them driving that aggressively.

If ATRAC can bust a shaft then so can you by slamming on your brakes. That's why the explanation makes little sense to me.

 

No, you're not the only one who noticed but maybe the first to say anything. When those were first posted it was justifying his lift, and maybe the front locker. That was a really long time ago so I can't remember.

I do remember him saying they had placed boulders at trail entrances to keep Subaru's out, and others that didn't belong because they didn't have the offroad prowess of jeeps. I had also noticed that he was then posting pics going around gates, where those boulders were placed to keep everyone out because... the fucking gate is closed. But it's like placing a lock on your shit to keep honest people out

 

And this is why we can't have nice things. And why trails get shut down, or the 4x4 crowd is looked down upon for being a bunch of wreckless assholes, and then everyone else wants to wonder why

 

Gatekeeper it is called, to keep the idiots out. Google Walker Valley ORV

 

A-Trac can brake a 1-3 wheels while you have your foot down for maximum torque. Slamming on your brakes would brake all 4 wheels and cut power. A software update for torque management should therefore solve the issue. Sheldon even mentions additional margins being left to accommodate larger tires, which in 4th gen Tacoma context means 35s. Note there's already a lot of software torque management behind the scenes in daily driving and in the various MTS modes.

 

Great. So when tunes are developed, they will get rid of the torque management (which a lot of manufacturers use these days), guys will break shit and expect it to be warrantied.

Back to the subject of tolerances, I'm surprised anyone mentioned that. Bigger tires? More stress on parts. Tune? more stress on parts. And just because hundreds of other people do it with no issues does not automatically make a failure a design or manufacturing issue, that part could have been fine with stock tires or power levels...could just be unlucky that you got the bottom end of the tolerance stack.

 

I did Google it and the website says to stay off of closed trails. No mention of a "gatekeeper".

Now, if you go to YouTube, Facebook, the JK forum, and others places that I don't personally consider reliable resources then there are lots of references to "gatekeepers".

Whatever, you do you boo

 

You're an idiot. A gatekeeper is a benchmark for how challenging the trail is. If you can't pass the gatekeeper you won't be able to clear all obstacles on the trail. It's a test. The gate is there to provide service and emergency access. This is a well known thing for 4x4 specific trails. It is not like a closed forest road.

 

Chill FN2187, as others have noted gatekeepers are filters to keep vehicles that should not be on the trail out. The premise is if the gate keeper is a problem for you then you won't be able to get past obstacles farther in the trail. Or in another words, turn around now! The problem we have is when major obstacles are midway through a trail, by the time someone that shouldn't be there finally gets to it they don't want to turn around. So instead they make a bypass causing damage to the area. Gate keepers are an attempt to solve this problem.

 

There probably that gas/brake lockout that Toyota loves so much so fair, you couldn't force it. But detuning is a band-aid for poor design, not a "fix" here.

 

This seems unnecessary. How would anyone know that the gate is for emergency access, unless they've actually been to that park? Anywhere I've been, a closed gate means "stay out."

A simple explanation would have been sufficient.

 

Tunes if developed improperly can destroy the engine quickly (say, raising the rev limiter, ignition timing advanced too far causing detonation, etc.). So this will be just another thing for tuning groups to watch for, and another risk for customers to take when getting a tune.

You're harping on something from 14 years ago. Brake override was implemented in 2010. Torque management is standard practice in modern powertrain design. In day-to-day driving the ECM does things like reducing throttle when shifting, partial torque converter lockup, etc. And if you were to duplicate the circumstances that TFL broke their front diff, you'd be using MTS. MTS by its very design has different torque management, different throttle maps, different shift logic, amongst its various modes. That's one of the principal benefits of electronic throttles and electronically controlled transmissions. MTS is 16 year-old technology.

Yep, it's a big country with different customs in different regions. In some regions, a closed gate is for livestock management, meaning you can go through, but close the gate behind you. A locked gate or signage would indicate "keep out".

 

He told me to google it and I did, then reported what I found. He may be right - I don't typically visit OHV parks so I don't know their rules. But every gate I've come across on trails is closed for a reason.

 

All our ORV parks have gatekeepers, and all our ORV parks are officially open. It is a hint to the smart. The idiots who can't do that simple maneuver to go around will almost always end up in a bad a situation and the State has had enough of that.

The ORV Park is officially open. And that gatekeeper is the only way to get inside

 

It is not a typical closed gate. We have those closed gates as well and are super easy to tell. Gatekeeper is different. There is a ton of space around it, but rocks and boulders have been placed to make getting inside difficult. Cars and crossovers will turn back as well as rookies.

 

The State uses a different wording for the gatekeeper

 

You guys in the west have all the fun stuff. Go around gates here and risk getting a ticket from DNR

 

We can shoplift too as long as it is less than $700

 

In California it's around $900! That's why the crooks are running rampant! The democrats have turned this state it sh!t!

 

I hear you, we are doomed.

 

As someone else pointed out, it is quite a diverse country and culture we have

 

There's a lot of things that suck about California but our wheeling options are not one of them! From the beaches, to the deserts to the mountains we have it all. For me it's the three W's that prevent me from escaping. Wheeling, weather and wife!

 

I miss Cali real bad

 

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You probly gonna get jail time for that.

 

If you are a law abiding citizen and have something to lose, yes.

 

34 states have a higher threshold like in Texas it's $2500 or South Carolina it's $2000.

 

I think he meant the 'democrats' statement. Political crap is frowned upon pretty seriously on this forum.