1.2L motor

What's going on with the world? Save gas but burn more car?

https://youtu.be/OpGv5ih2wQ4?si=hM0_yqgLw17QewQE

 

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I can live with a small-displacement turbo engine in an economy car. Ignoring my GM wariness, what I refuse to live with is another wet oil pump belt.

 

1.2L?!

So tiny + GM reliability = disaster... feel sorry for whoever buys it.

 

It always astounds me that people willingly sacrifice quality, reliability and longevity just to save a buck at the pump.

 

I’ll be more fair to the general public and say it’s like buying an appliance for many. MPG is a clear indication of cost to run, right up-front on the sticker and beyond that a car is a car. Also to drive hundreds of thousands of miles, fuel savings can offset repairs/cost of another vehicle depending on what exactly is being compared.

Folks don’t know to ask what corners have been cut beyond hearing that say, Samsung and maybe LG large appliances are trash. (don’t buy them)

Heck, I consider myself generally not-an-idiot but I got burned assuming Hyundai and Kia put in basic anti-theft measures into their cars that everyone else did. (maybe just don’t buy Korean engineering unless heavily discounted?)

I’m sure some people out there bought the 1.0T Ford Focus thinking “aw yea I’m gonna get a good torque converter automatic transmission and not the PowerShift trash!” but then the engine’s wet belt shits the bed and chokes the oil pump or they get sticker shock when it lasts through its service life and need to crack open the engine to replace it.

It sucks that car-buying continues to be a game of Minehunt. As the years pass I’m learning there’s more to avoid and worry about like Nissan’s variable compression system in the Rogue.

If the big three (two?) put in some more effort in hybrids or better compact CUV options rather than banking on leapfrogging to electric they’d have a lot more wiggle room rather than nickel-and-diming their vehicles large and small to hit targets.

 

1.2 liter is fine in a small car. My first car was 1.5L, naturally aspirated and all, and it moved itself without much drama, 0-60 in 9-10 seconds is all one really needs in traffic, anything faster is nice to have but not necessary.

But since no one wants small cars anymore, here we are.

Depends on who developed it. If it was GM Korea, I am willing to give it a chance.

 

I can't stand his voice or the way he pronounces words

 

"...sort of luxury..." There's the hook, make it look luxurious and you'll get people to drool, add a few more buzwords and they will want it.

If I still had the 68 MG I would never consider a newer - hi tech vehicle powered by a similar displacement power plant. I had rebuilt that MG's motor (bored out to 1500cc, stock was 1275cc), swapped out the SU's for a DCO Side Draft...took that motor from 13 sec 0-60 times to sub tens. Good ol cast iron blocks...I ran tens of thousands of worry/trouble free miles in that car.

 

+1, its not for me but I think a lot of us enthusiasts do not realize that 90% of the driving public don't have a clue whats actually under the hood. They hear liters and they think soda bottles. They lease and get a new car every 3 years so they can care less how reliable it is.

Im jealous. My first car did 0-60 in about 12 1/2. 1.8L 68hp Honda. But it only weighed 1800lb so it actually felt pretty nimble. New cars need more power in part because they have got so heavy.


Probably don't want everybody going back to little cars like that as it would be a deathtrap in a collision with a modern 5000lb SUV.

 

I have motorcycles with bigger engines than that. Where’s did the other half of that motor?

 

My dad was a car guy when he was young. The first car we had when I was a kid was a Citroen 2CV from the late 50s, less than 1/2 liter with a crank start. He gave up his '53 MG TD to get it.

 

Your dad sounds like mine - big British car nut. He had a TC when he first got his license , and then later sold it and bought an Austin Healy 3000 Mk.2. Wrecked the Healy and then picked up a straight-6 Jaguar E-Type Fastback.

Later on when he met my mom and had us kids they where driving economy cars, so sadly I never got to ride in any of those, only know photos in an album. But he always did , and still does love cars and taught me a lot of wrenching....

 

It’s only new for Americans. I had VW with 1.0 4cyl from 1996 and other European cars 1.4 etc. Anything over 1.8 considered luxury vehicle.

 

We should encourage people to go back to cheaper and smaller cars, ICE or EV, with incentives and tax breaks, not giving out endless tax credits on 5000+lb $50k-100k EVs, if the goal is in fact to reduce emissions and preserve earth's resources.

Giving the wealthy more money to buy expensive heavy EVs to commute with is the stupidest thing a government can do to save the environment.

 

No good idea in the history of man ever required a subsidy. Besides why should taxpayers support someone’s personal choice in vehicle? You do you.

 

Have you considered running for public office?

While I would like to see the market place work itself out without subsidies, the country's population is too far in favor of government intervention to support a market based solution. So the least evil would be to encourage smaller vehicles that use less resources to build and run.

 

The market always works itself out and when a good idea comes up it will be like that old Honda commercial. “The car that sells itself.” Support a market based solution to what?

 

You should run for public office. Clearly you have a great understanding of the automotive landscape and I would wholeheartedly vote for you, along with three other guys.

 

I’m aware that nobody wants the vehicles that you described and nobody wants EV’s either .