5th gen vs 6th gen and why

Thank you,
Many vehicles have come and gone in 34yrs but this one has always made the cut due to its utility and pet rock reliability, about as fast as one too. It redeems itself in LO.

 

If you don't mind me asking, what did that cost new in 1990?

 

End of the year leftover one-at-this-price $13,999 + OEM ac kit $500@cost, roof rack and cargo mat for $150@cost.
Edit: base vehicle, zero options.

 

Wow, that's amazing......glad you have it still!

 

This folded seat alone makes me not want a 6th gen. I keep my second row folded down all the time and am constantly reaching back for stuff. Usually have a cooler within reach. That won’t be possible. Big loss. And it was so handy being able to open up the door and set stuff on the folded down seat. Looks like a huge pain to try to set bulky stuff or boxes/bins in the new one.

Absolutely nothing gained with the new layout?

 

I keep my 2nd row seat flat on both 4r’s just like you except when needed. The 2nd gen rear seat setup is just like the 5th gen except the headrest has to be pulled out for the back to fold. The wife designated the 2nd gen the “Dog” car(heaven forbid dog hair in the 22….) and I have a geriatric 15yr old hound that I just love to death. For him I just leave the seat base folded forward but return the back up which lowers the height for him to just jump up onto the floor/carpet, the 5th gen would allow for the same. That narrow “hole” on the 6th wouldn’t work for him and at 80# not for me either.
A long time ago camping we would sleep in back. For the overlanders what does the 6th gen offer in cargo area sleeping length with that folding design? Seems like you would lose at least 4-5”.

 

if you do that, there won’t be any 2024s LEs left.

 

On the FB Toyota 5th Gen group, someone just posted: "My 4Runner value went up $4000 yesterday after the release of the new model. Not mad about it ". If true, I'm not surprised. As soon as people start noticing this trend all the new 5th Gen 4Runners will disappear from the lots.

 

Lol. It’s getting really close, but I’d give it a pass, on the grounds you can still see the actual engine under the snakes.

 

And we are not even sure about the gain in gas mileage. Heavy modifications will be a big burden on that little 2.4

 

The 5th gen will go down as the last reliable 4runner.

 

The folded seat is horrible. I never have my 2nd row seat up unless for some reason we do not take my wife’s vehicle and the kids are with us. I mountain bike all the time and I can fit an XL bike in the back perfectly. That is what is important to me and a deal breaker with the new 4 runner.

 

Heavy mods are a big burden on the existing NA 6 cylinder as well. Do you mean from a longevity standpoint or a gas mileage standpoint? I think there are a lot of valid differences between the 5th and 6th Gen to consider but it seems like some of the things being pointed to for why the new Gen is terrible are an overreach. Hahaha. It’s also possible that adding extra weight with mods in a hybrid assisted motor will mean less performance variation because of the electric motor. It’s also the case that for people who live in high altitude like I do (CO), a forced induction engine makes the same power at altitude as it does sea level, once again being a positive element at least from a power standpoint.

 

I've slept in my 4th gen many times on camping / hiking trips.

Gonna be interesting to see the aftermarket fixes for this one, and I'm really curious about the diagonal distance in the back, with seats folded up.

 

I meant gas mileage. Can't beat physics, mpg will be in the low teens when you modify this 4 banger

 

At least on downhill grades the turbo won't be spooled up.

 

But is that any worse or different than the existing 4.0 V6 when carrying a modified and heavier 4Runner? It gets terrible mileage and I doubt the turbo 4s would be any worse and likely marginally better.

 

6th is more powerful, will tow better, but you will not see any gain in mpg. It is all emission BS.

 

well that 4L v6 struggled pretty stinking hard when i pulled a 6x12 uhaul trailer up the ga i-75 mountain pass. pretty much stayed in S3/S4 up/down the mountain. that was not fun and it wasnt even near 4k load.

 

Been seeing reports on the web about front main bearing failures on the 3.5 twin turbo V6….
“None of this explains why some of the engines are suffering main bearing failures.
Tinkerer's Adventure spoke with Chris Gonzales, a longtime Lexus technician who owns a 200-Series Toyota Land Cruiser with the old 5.7-liter V8. He explained that in his 20 years of working on Lexus cars and trucks, only three have had main bearing issues—all of them have been LX600s with the V35A-FTS. The issue has also reared its head on Toyota Tundra pickups, as Reddit user u/myoung34experienced and others in the comments referenced.”

 

It's still too soon to draw any conclusion. Give it a couple more years and then we'll see if the TTV6 is a problem.

 

Agreed, but it is somewhat concerning as there aren’t that many out there.

 

I hear that. More concerning is the damn thing (LX600) costs around $100k. If I were spending $100k on a Toyota product, I'd be expecting the moon. It's a full-size Land Cruiser for pete's sake.

 

The evidence on some of the failed engines is the front main bearing gets spun and forces the crank seal out and looses oil pressure resulting in a complete short block paper weight, some at very low mileage.
Edit: $32K warranty replacement cost……ouch.

 

One would think such a design flaw would have been discovered while bench or road testing. Makes me glad I bought a dinosaur powertrain.

 

$32k to replace an engine?

 

That’s what the report states.
Search “main bearing V35A-FTS”.
Edit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpX_gZGWXE&pp=ygUVbWFpbiBiZWFyaW5nIFYzNUEtRlRT

 

I wonder when and where things in the world went wrong. That engine swap alone costs almost twice what my entire Civic cost and my Honda still runs strong 24 years later. Money seems to have no meaning...

 

People keep quoting this warranty cost... but we need to reiterate that during warranty the cost doesn't matter as its not coming out of your pocket. The engine starts to get noisy, you take it in. It may be costing Toyota a lot of money but at that point its not costing you anything but a little time and the inconvenience of having to take it to the dealer. Toyota pays for it and will give you a free loaner vehicle for however long it takes.

Since I know I'm going to get attacked for this yet again (sad that on a Toyota fan forum one has to apologize for defending Toyota ) , let me say that I dont like the fact there are multiple reports of these failures, and I myself am hanging on to my 5th gen for now. However we need to put it into context that these 3,5 or even 50 known failures are happening out of 10s or 100s of thousands of delivered vehicle. Toyota has a far better track record than most of tracking these things down and making corrections. There may be a recall coming to either replace a whole batch of engines with bad parts or redesign it - but I don't see how they would just let it go.

 

Whenever Toyota does something wrong, or even something that's simply interpreted as 'wrong', there are those on here who absolutely must thrash them over it. Never mind that a Toyota vehicle, compared overall with any other automaker's vehicles, is the best-built vehicle you can buy. Toyota isn't allowed to make mistakes.