2025 6th gen 4Runner Official Reveal Thread

There are some museums that you can pay for a day of driving a coal fired steam train. Its on my bucket list to do some day, I think it would be redicuolously fun.

And those where about 5% efficient. But damn cool.

 

lol I’m glad you saw the humor in that.

 

WHY, did Toyota offer Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS) on the new Tacoma but not carry that feature over to the new 4Runner or Land Cruiser? It seems very short sighted that it is only offered on the Tacoma within the triplets.

For the 90% of the time most of us are on pavement, those of us who enjoy improved on-road ride comfort or have a bad lower back are willing to pay for this option. I don't care what their rationale or logic was, for me personally, this is almost a non-negotiable must have feature.

 

Coming soon from Cali Raised, full length hanging molle panel/sleeping loft

 

Haha... Yeah I have to admit sometime I do miss the humor/sarcasm in internet posts and get on my soapbox when I shouldnt.

the ironic thing is I have no plans to get rid of my 23 for this, and right now do not have any turbo or hybrid vehicles in my home garage. And I actually prefer the manual lever and big manual knobs of my current gen even though I don't delude myself of the fact that there is still a ton of electronics/software behind them (which luckily Toyota does a much better job of than BMW, VW, Land Rover, Ford, etc) . But having worked in engineering and tech for a long time I am interested in the technology and love to really dig into it and am not afraid of trying new things. Someday I may look at one but for now I am happy with keeping my dinosaur 5th gen. But I wouldn't be afraid to try the new one if I was in the buying market right now.

 

the limited and platinum have the avs feature.

 

That looks pretty good. It looks classy rather than looking like a Hot Wheels toy like the other models that have been revealed.

 

Told my dealer to put me down for the Platinum. Damn that looks good.

 

@NoDak, thank you, I've used google for a deep dive search on every press release and every news article and there is not one single mention of Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS) on any 2025 4Runner, including any mention of the Limited and Platinum trims. Perhaps I missed it, do you have any links to where this is discussed?

 

i saw it in a article or video and it was a short blurb about it. didnt think much about it since i dont really care for it in our 23 tundra platinum. we get no benefit from it really since we dont tow or carry any big loads 99% of the time.

 

yes, articulation was not on point because I was flying an airplane over the north Atlantic at The time. Your statement is accurate mostly, however, you cannot compare A turbo diesel engine to a small four cylinder. They are two completely different animals with different power bands. You are accurate in that 100 pounds is not going to make a lot of difference but adding 1000 pounds combined through tires, bumpers, winches, skid plates, and gear you have to agree that it Is forcing the system to be operated outside of its design parameters For these vehicles Which is the point of my original comment.

forgive the punctuation and grammar, talk to text

 

Because that’s what they are designed to do.

You guys are missing the point.

 

And you have to concede that adding 1000 lb to that bronco is going to decrease its MPG regardless of whether its a force fed 300 HP small displacement turbo or a loafing mildly tuned 300hp N/A big block V8. weight it weight.

And adding 1000lb to a 5th gen is just as equally pushing the 1GR and transmission, axles,etc beyond what the Toyota designers intended 15 years ago.


Again, I highly recommend reading that R&T article. Its very interesting and I think will address a lot of your fears about turbos.

 

Great video. Maybe a bit of overacting but still entertaining. I have learned a lot !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRXPXThifY0

 

you are 100% correct. I have 1000 pounds of extra weight on my fifth GEN and I regeared with 4.88 gears and I’m on 35s. This thing is a damn pig, but I knew that going into it and built it for what it is, and off-road vehicle.

my point here is that there are a lot of people on this forum and the Facebook groups historically that bitch and moan about the shitty fuel economy they are getting after building their vehicles because they lack the understanding of how things work. Furthermore, my comment about the turbo four cylinder stands. I don’t hate Turbo engines, they just don’t have any place in a four-wheel-drive vehicle in my opinion. We can agree to disagree all day long, I love a good debate.

However, I’m done for the day. Just got to the hotel here in Dubai and I’ve been up for 18 hours. I’m going to bed.

 

So, you don't think Toyota engineered it to handle its own GVWR?

Or towing?

A regear can compensate for oversized tires.

 

Better picture of the platinum trim model. Might be my favorite so far and it looks like the TRD/TH heritage grill will be easy to swap in there.

 

A regear can compensate, but what does a regear do? It increases the RPMs due to the lower gear set to bring you back into the powerband. Again, I’ll reference the ecoboost engines as they are very similar in principle to the I-force max engine. My copilot has a 3.5L F150 ecoboost on a 4” lift with 35’s. Before the lift and tires, he was getting 22-26 mpg on the highway on the stock gears (3.31). After the lift and tires he was getting 13-15mpg and staying in boost all the time. He regeared to 3.73 at the shop’s recommendation and the economy increased to around 17mpg on the highway and while the boost psi dropped a little, the system still isn’t functioning close to stock specs as he had hoped and he’s already had one of the turbos replaced under warranty with only 40k on the truck. This is not a comparison by any means, it’s an example.

Towing is going to see reduced economy regardless. But how many people tow 24/7? Not many at all and the engineers likely designed it around that fact. Adding 1000# of constant weight is going to create early wear and tear on the system and I don’t think people are taking that into account on an unproven power train for this specific platform. Sure Lexus has had this for a few years, but not many Lexus owners out there running 1000 pounds of extra weight all day every day.

 

This and the rear room legroom may make this a deal breaker for me tbh. When we camp at least two of us sleep in the back (family of 5) on the Luno mattress. I hadn't looked because I wasn't really interested but does the LC have the same issue?

 

A regear will raise RPM's slightly, but not by a ton if you don't overdo it. It seems to me like people generally go too aggressive with a regear. I could see 4.56 for 35's, but most people are doing 4.88 or 5.29.

As far as towing, of course it's going to reduce fuel economy. That's not what I was getting at. Toyota has to engineer things to handle what they're rated for. If the drivetrain can handle towing 5000#, carrying an extra 1000# isn't going to kill it. People are driving 4Runners and Tacos all over the place pushing GVWR, and sometimes over. And yet, we never hear about it causing issues.

Sure, bearings, CV's, and other wear and tear parts are going to have reduced life if they're constantly operating at their limits. But, I can't think of a single engine or transmission failure I've read about that was caused by a little extra weight.

If someone adds 1000# and then proceeds to drive it like a sports car, I could see that leading to a shortened life. But, that's a unique circumstance.

 

The LC will look close to, or the same in the back as the hybrid 4Runner. Raised trunk area for the battery and a drop-off once the rear seats are tumbled forward.

It’ll be less of a vertical jump though with the seatbacks folded, but not sure if they will stay flat or keep trying to tumble forward.

The third-row - which I assume would look like the GX is probably the best bet but of course it’s paid for in vertical space and no hybrid.

 

Fair enough - and I agree its a good debate and you make some good points. I hope along the way we helped educate some of those folks complaining without understanding. Have a good trip....

 

Do you think the ORP will have the same fender flares as the Pro?

Even though they are gloss black (hopefully that changes) I do like the shape of them, makes the 4R look more aggressive.

 

i want a Trailhunter but with the TRD Pro hood

 

Rip the dream. Was head over heels for those two colors; Heritage Blue shouldn’t be exclusive to limited, right? I’m not trying to get a black, silver or white lol

 

I think its safe to look at Tacoma trims to infer 4runner styling. If only the Pro Taco has the gloss black fender flares, they'll be Pro only on the 4R.

 

If I were to guess, ORP trim will probably have less aggressive black fender flares

 

Does anyone know if the Trailhunter version will change colors every year like the pro? I'm a sucker for that Everest paint.

 

I'm guessing that Everest will go to lower trims in the second year

 

I was thinking and was curious if anyone knew the answer to this, but if the battery pack was under the rear floor and you slept on that regularly, is there any potential health issues from sleeping almost directly on it?