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After Front end Crash - '99 won't run ?

Discussion in '3rd Gen 4Runners (1996-2002)' started by AZSlickRock, May 22, 2023.

  1. May 22, 2023 at 7:32 PM
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    AZSlickRock

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    OK -- I had a crash which bent the front fame rails and moved the radiator enough to cause the fan blade to hit the fan-blade shroud. But, the Radiator didn't puncture and there is plenty of clearance between the Fan and the radiator -- after I broke off part of the shroud.

    However, once I broke off the shroud to free up the fan blade, the engine now starts but... runs for only a few seconds then dies. I almost have to have the Throttle at like 3/4 open to get it to run ( VERY POORLY ) for much more than a few seconds.

    I have used an OBD II gauge and it shows NO Pending or tripped codes !

    I disconnected the battery, shorted the Posite and Negative cables ( After being disconnected from the battery ) and then retried to start the vehicle.

    And... SAME thing . It starts and runs VERY POORLY for only a few seconds. And... NO OBD II codes !

    The accident wasn't all that forceful and none of the airbags deployed.

    I would like to sell the vehicle. However, if the engine won't run it makes a sale much more difficult and the vehicle much less desirable as a "fixer".

    Vehicle has only 198K and the timing belt was "supposedly" replaced at 110K.

    I say "supposedly" as there is no sticker indicating that it was changed. The CARFAX is what stated that the belt was done at 110K.

    Vehicle is a 5-speed manual. I may have not pushed in the clutch when the other vehicle stuck mine. Possibly the impact and force caused the timing belt to jump a tooth ?

    I dunno what is wrong ??

    Any troubleshooting ideas would be MOST Appreciated !

    Bob
     
  2. May 22, 2023 at 7:54 PM
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    Could be out of time. I think you need to pull the entire front end of the engine off and verify everything.

    Accidents are a funny thing. I can guarantee you that the fan got hit harder than you think.
     
  3. May 23, 2023 at 8:16 AM
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    Thanks for your feedback !

    I will remove the Timing cover and rotate the crankshaft until the Timing Sprockets should be in alignment to see if there has been a timing belt "slip"

    Bob
     
  4. May 31, 2023 at 7:08 PM
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    Toyo tires with Fuel wheels, Carhart seat covers, getting started with some suspension mods
    Vehicles with an electric fuel pump have what is called an inertia switch, in the event of a crash it will trip causing the fuel pump to stop, they are usually located under the dashboard, a simple push of the button on top will reset it, hope this helps
     
  5. May 31, 2023 at 7:39 PM
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    Great Feedback about the inertial fuel cut-off !
    I've been focusing on other issues and didn't remove the timing cover yet.
    But, your suggestion certainly seems viable.
    Thanks
     
  6. May 31, 2023 at 8:34 PM
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    Not these cars.

    They have a Circuit Open Relay instead. COR.
     
  7. May 31, 2023 at 9:52 PM
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    OK... YUP this COR may be the culprit.
    Its late but I will check tomorrow. As I recall, the air inlet hose popped off @ the throttle body. If correct, then the MAF wouldn't have airflow. That would result in the COR not getting a signal resulting in no voltage to the fuel pump !
    Stay tuned fir an update tomorrow.
    Bob
     
  8. Jun 1, 2023 at 6:57 AM
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    FIXED !
    Air Inlet Disconnect #1.jpg Air Inlet Disconnect #2.jpg
     
  9. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:06 AM
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    Thanks to ALL who helped me FIX this simple problem !

    The Crash moved the front end over by about 1 1/2" - This caused the Rubber Bellow to become disconnected from the plastic Throttle Body Inlet tube ( See images ).

    I did NOT know about the COR and its operation until getting feedback from this post.

    With NO airflow past the MAF ( Disconnected Bellow to Air inlet Tube ) - No signal was given to the COR to keep the Fuel Pump running.

    The COR has 2 inputs:

    1) Ignition Switch -- When Starting, the COR energizes the Fuel Pump via the Ignition Switch -- So my car would START

    2) MAF Signal -- After the start, when the Key is returned to RUN position, the COR needs the MAF signal to keep the Fuel Pump energized

    Thanks for this education !

    Bob
     

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