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On the fence between a Westcott Design lift and Eibach spring lift

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Juan2022, Nov 2, 2022.

  1. Nov 2, 2022 at 11:44 AM
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    Juan2022

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    On the fence between a Westcott Design lift and Eibach spring lift on my 4R.
     
  2. Nov 2, 2022 at 11:48 AM
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    You bought a pro, why take out one of the things that makes it a pro? Makes no sense to me when people do that.
     
  3. Nov 2, 2022 at 11:56 AM
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    You're pretty much stuck with a spacer lift unless you un pro bro your pro bro.
     
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  4. Nov 2, 2022 at 12:05 PM
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    Wanna mount some 33’s.
     
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    Me personally if I were to lift the Pro I would go with the suspension setup that is meant to be lifted from the start.

    If I ever have to use stock suspension (very unlikely) I would go with the Eibach spring lift but its not available for 2021 and up. I don't think I would go with spacer type lift removing the existing collar. Not sure the reason they use one spacer on top of the strut another one (the bigger collar) to preload the spring in front. Rear is a spacer for spring which still I don't know if stock shock is ready for extra length. Again I'm just dumb on this subject and its just my view as a regular user.


    Edit -

    I have to re-think about the lift as if I lift it might not fit through my garage door with the tall roof rack. My other 4Runners didn't have problems are they have regular roof rails. So my lift may not happen any time soon. Also read my concern about the wheel below. (Just sharing my opinion as a Pro owner)
     
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    I wonder if you are thinking about 285/70R17 which is not recommend to mount on TRD Pro wheels by tire manufacturers due to narrow wheel width. I don't like to go 255/80R17 as they are Load E and I have bad experience with Load E when it comes to comfort in the past.

    BUT there are plenty of people running 285/70R17 on TRD Pro wheels.
     
  7. Nov 2, 2022 at 12:16 PM
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    Yes, some MT’s,
     
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    I'll throw one more option into the mix, the Toytec TRD Pro kit ( ).
    There are plenty of forum members here who will bash on the collar kits or spacers but everyone's needs are different. If you have determined that a collar kit works for your needs, then you can't go wrong with any of them. Ultimately, I think the price will have a big part in the decision.
    Just a note, Black Friday sales are approaching so it may be wise to wait a few weeks.
     
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  9. Nov 2, 2022 at 12:48 PM
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    I didn’t know toytec had that kit.
     
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    Jesus @Mtbpsych with no regard for mankind.
     
  11. Nov 2, 2022 at 1:24 PM
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    So is the toytec better kit than the WD?
     
  12. Nov 2, 2022 at 1:33 PM
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    Too many..... Performance: • Magnusum Supercharger • Gibson exhaust with dual black tip • Pedal Commander * PowerBrakes • Suspension – Old Man Emu BP-51 front and back with Medium load coils • Tires: AT3 Faulken Wildpeak – 285/70/17 • Wheels: Relations Race Wheels, RR7-H with -12 offset • Full roof rack and ladder by Westcott Design (removed the stock Yakima basket) • Molle storage panels by Rago fabrication • Front light brackets by Rago • Illuminator light bracket by Rago (roof rack location) Lights • Morimoto front and back with sequential signals • Morimoto fog lights and side mirrors with sequential signals • 40” Baja design light bar for roof rack • 20” S8 Baja design driving combo (winch location) • Squadron sport baja design ditch lights • S2 Chase lights by baja designs (mounted on roof) In the bay: • Odyssey 34-PC Battery • SDQH Aluminum billet battery terminals and bracket • Switch Pro 9100 with aluminum tray • Anytime front and back camera • ARB twin compressor Recovery & Protection: • Smittybilt X20 synthetic rope winch • Factor 55 fairlead and flatlink • Southern Style Off-road (SSO) low profile bumper • SSO stage 2 high clearance wings • Weekend warrior recovery kit by treaty oak • RCI – skid plates – entire vehicle + catalytic converter protection wings Interior: • Nano Ceramic IR – Avery Dennison Window tint – all windows • Several phone mounts • Upgraded Rear Hatch lift gate struts (ladder is heavy) • Boom blaster horn switch (featuring La cucaracha)
    Wescott and be done. Cheap and faster too.
     
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    Is that what you did?
     
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    I’m one of these^^^^

    ‘21 Pro with OEM Pro wheels and Toyo 285’s with the Westcott lift.

    As Kmeeg says, the Eibach springs are not (yet?) available for ‘21’s and up so, unless you want to rip the Fox susp outta the Pro and do over, Westcott is about it. BTW, clearance for 285’s is fine with minor front wheel well fender trim and adequate forward caster.

    Contrary to some who dislike it, (many of whom are not Pro owners, so have no first hand experience), mine did exactly what I wanted and I’m happy with the Westcott solution. Note, I am not a big time rock crawler. We mostly do forest roads, sand, mud etc.
     
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    Thanks for your input.
     
  16. Nov 2, 2022 at 6:58 PM
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    Too many..... Performance: • Magnusum Supercharger • Gibson exhaust with dual black tip • Pedal Commander * PowerBrakes • Suspension – Old Man Emu BP-51 front and back with Medium load coils • Tires: AT3 Faulken Wildpeak – 285/70/17 • Wheels: Relations Race Wheels, RR7-H with -12 offset • Full roof rack and ladder by Westcott Design (removed the stock Yakima basket) • Molle storage panels by Rago fabrication • Front light brackets by Rago • Illuminator light bracket by Rago (roof rack location) Lights • Morimoto front and back with sequential signals • Morimoto fog lights and side mirrors with sequential signals • 40” Baja design light bar for roof rack • 20” S8 Baja design driving combo (winch location) • Squadron sport baja design ditch lights • S2 Chase lights by baja designs (mounted on roof) In the bay: • Odyssey 34-PC Battery • SDQH Aluminum billet battery terminals and bracket • Switch Pro 9100 with aluminum tray • Anytime front and back camera • ARB twin compressor Recovery & Protection: • Smittybilt X20 synthetic rope winch • Factor 55 fairlead and flatlink • Southern Style Off-road (SSO) low profile bumper • SSO stage 2 high clearance wings • Weekend warrior recovery kit by treaty oak • RCI – skid plates – entire vehicle + catalytic converter protection wings Interior: • Nano Ceramic IR – Avery Dennison Window tint – all windows • Several phone mounts • Upgraded Rear Hatch lift gate struts (ladder is heavy) • Boom blaster horn switch (featuring La cucaracha)
    Yes, I started with wescott, a year later I put the Old man (Bp51) and I think it was ok, but maybe not needed. I am not a hard core off-roader, I'm a weekend warrior at best. So lesson learned, or not. I would much rather save the money for another mod and if you really want to change suspension do it later and go with something where you can really tell a difference. But of course, you will spend a lot! No free lunch here.
     
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    Solid advice.
     
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    I went with the Eibach springs. It rode great and looked perfect.
     
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    Sounds like a great solution for your SR5. Unfortunately, the Eibach springs are not available for the ‘21 and later Pros which is what the OP’s sig shows he owns.
     
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    Well I did it on my ‘20 Pro.
     
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    Right. As I said in my post, the issue is with the 21’s and newer Pros. Seems Toyota /Fox changed the front coilover spring seat on the Pros and Eibach hasn’t matched it yet.
     
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    Well I don’t know how Eibach hasn’t come up with a solution. Then go with Westcott.
     
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    Like you did on your ‘20, I wanted to use the Eibach springs for my ‘21. I thought it was THE solution. When I checked their website, they showed not available for front springs.

    I called them and was told about the glitch with the redesign of the front spring seats and was told they were “working on it” or something to that effect.

    I then went with Westcott’s kit which I’m happy with. They do what I want. I understand it might not be the best solution for others here.

    No solution yet from Eibach, to my knowledge.
     
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    It’s a sign to leave it be. ;)
     
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    Thanks for all the input fella’s, going to wait for retirement in 8 months, figure I’d save $$ on fuel with stock tires due to 40 min commute to work one way. Maybe by then the springs are out, if not WD it is.
     
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    Sounds like a plan.
    Congrats on the pending retirement thing!
     
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    Thanks
     
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    Im in the WD camp on my Pro running 285s on stock TRD rims- no problems. Stance is great, ride and nose dive are much improved and it keeps stock geometry. All in all a solid solution. Westcott is great to work with. One note of caution if you plan to continue building out your rig (steel bumper, winch, etc.) you might seriously just consider doing the suspension now as stock coilovers can not handle all that extra weight.
     
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    I ran 285’s on my Pro rims with no issues. Came from the dealership that way.
     
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