1. Welcome to 4Runners.com!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all 4Runner discussion topics
    • Transfer over your build thread from a different forum to this one
    • Communicate privately with other 4Runner owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Driving in S4 vs Pedal Commander

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Kimo, Apr 19, 2022.

  1. Apr 19, 2022 at 5:06 PM
    #31
    Thatbassguy

    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2019
    Member:
    #9314
    Messages:
    13,643
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    James
    S/E Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2019 TRDORP, KDSS, MGM
    RSG sliders, Yakima offgrid basket, Pro-Comp wheels, SOS Streamline bumper and skids, Warn VR EVO10S winch + Ultimate Sidewinder, Bilstein 6112 + 5100 + rear lift coils, Rigid Dually SS ditch lights w/Caliraised brackets and OEM style dash switch
    Right. But, it would still be pretty jarring shifting into S3 at 80MPH if you were expecting 4th. :D

    Yup. They're pretty dummy proof. I bet I could still break it if I really tried, though. :anonymous:

    I'm still waiting to hear the rest of this poem.
     
  2. Apr 19, 2022 at 5:09 PM
    #32
    JohnD

    JohnD New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2018
    Member:
    #8261
    Messages:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes. The clutch locks the converter and any benefit to response that the converters stall rpm provides is lost. That locked converter is often like driving a manual in too high a gear.
     
  3. Apr 19, 2022 at 5:12 PM
    #33
    whippersnapper02

    whippersnapper02 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2019
    Member:
    #8982
    Messages:
    2,969
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Christian
    Vehicle:
    2019 4Runner TRD Offroad Premium
    Park will make a nice sound if you're moving.
     
  4. Apr 19, 2022 at 5:20 PM
    #34
    Thatbassguy

    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2019
    Member:
    #9314
    Messages:
    13,643
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    James
    S/E Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2019 TRDORP, KDSS, MGM
    RSG sliders, Yakima offgrid basket, Pro-Comp wheels, SOS Streamline bumper and skids, Warn VR EVO10S winch + Ultimate Sidewinder, Bilstein 6112 + 5100 + rear lift coils, Rigid Dually SS ditch lights w/Caliraised brackets and OEM style dash switch
    :rofl:
     
  5. Apr 19, 2022 at 8:09 PM
    #35
    McSpazatron

    McSpazatron New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2021
    Member:
    #19810
    Messages:
    5,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 4runner OR
    Dobinson IMS Warn Bumper CaliRaised Sliders 285/70 K02s
    I thought S mode locked up the converter sooner, which I thought was why it’s recommended for towing. Reason (as I understand it) is that if you let the converter spin through the fluid, you’d get more “responsiveness”, but your tranny temps would go through the roof if you’re pulling weight.

    Im not a transmission (or towing) expert, so I would appreciate correction of any misunderstandings.
     
    Thatbassguy likes this.
  6. Apr 19, 2022 at 10:05 PM
    #36
    ElectroBoy

    ElectroBoy Ad astra

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2020
    Member:
    #15823
    Messages:
    2,002
    Gender:
    Male
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2018 ORP
    I had a 3rd Gen 4Runner which had the traditional stranded wire throttle cable. It worked just fine.

    My 5th Gen with the drive-by-wire system feels as if the 3rd Gen cable was replaced with a rubber band.

    The Sprint Booster throttle controller on my 5th Gen makes it feel like the throttle cable has been restored.
     
    Trail Runnah and glwood54 like this.
  7. Apr 19, 2022 at 10:26 PM
    #37
    glwood54

    glwood54 Stop making me buy stuff!

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2019
    Member:
    #10964
    Messages:
    6,618
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Gary
    Albuquerque, NM
    Vehicle:
    2019 OR, KDSS, RSG sliders, Eibach shocks, 265/70 Falken Wildpeaks
    I'm not claiming it magically does anything it can't. Does it add HP? No. Does it make the 4R go faster? No. Does it give more power at WOT? No. Does it give more throttle response sooner in normal driving? Yes.
     
  8. Apr 20, 2022 at 3:17 AM
    #38
    JohnD

    JohnD New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2018
    Member:
    #8261
    Messages:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Just quick drive around town will give away that S doesn’t lock the the converter as often as D. Letting the torque converter do its job will heat the trans more than locking the clutch and lugging the engine but that is taken into account by design. Engines need rpm to work. Automatics do not have as low gear ratios as a stick. The fluid coupling, torque converter, makes up the difference and then some if allowed to work rather than be locked for trying to squeeze a little more gas mileage for CAFE standards.
    Driving my old TJ with 3 speed auto and locking converter is totally different experience than new automatics like that awful Tacoma. The torque converter was actually allowed to work back in the old days. Todays cars require more aggressive driving to prevent the computer from shifting-up and locking-up way too soon, like shifting a manual trans too soon. Compared to a lot modern automatics I’ve driven the T4R in S mode seems a pretty good compromise between the old and new shift patterns and was a welcome change from the Tacoma.
     
  9. Apr 20, 2022 at 3:50 AM
    #39
    banjos-n-beer

    banjos-n-beer New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2021
    Member:
    #23686
    Messages:
    677
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Steve
    Maine
    Vehicle:
    2018 Pro
    Slightly off-topic, but when my old Infiniti was in manual mode, it would downshift for you if you were too slow to respond when slowing down (like for an approaching stop sign), but it wouldn't up shift for you. So if you weren't super careful and more aggressive with your down shifting, there were times when both myself and the computer would decide it was time for a down shift, and there wasn't any logic in the code to prevent rapid down shifts right after one another. So a few times, when I wanted to down shift into 2nd, the computer agreed with me, and I'd end up going down into first at like 20 mph. Then I'd look like a stupid punk trying to show off.

    And of course, the Infiniti's manual mode +/- directions were opposite from that in my previous Mazda, which would occasionally cause my brain to freeze up when trying to remember which direction was which w/out having to look down.

    Long story short, I'm sure I could have done plenty of damage to that vehicle by not paying attention enough.
     
    Thatbassguy[QUOTED] likes this.
  10. Apr 20, 2022 at 6:58 AM
    #40
    McSpazatron

    McSpazatron New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2021
    Member:
    #19810
    Messages:
    5,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2021 4runner OR
    Dobinson IMS Warn Bumper CaliRaised Sliders 285/70 K02s
    So is it better for the tranny to tow in S mode, or in regular mode?
     
  11. Apr 20, 2022 at 7:14 AM
    #41
    Thatbassguy

    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2019
    Member:
    #9314
    Messages:
    13,643
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    James
    S/E Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2019 TRDORP, KDSS, MGM
    RSG sliders, Yakima offgrid basket, Pro-Comp wheels, SOS Streamline bumper and skids, Warn VR EVO10S winch + Ultimate Sidewinder, Bilstein 6112 + 5100 + rear lift coils, Rigid Dually SS ditch lights w/Caliraised brackets and OEM style dash switch
    Yes. The manual recommends it. Plus, in overdrive it will downshift constantly.
     
    SlvrSlug and Getuponit like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top