Lowest lift for 285's

Hi all,

2020 TRD Off Road, no XREAS or KDSS

I want to fit 285/70/17 on either stock wheels or TRD wheels.

What's the lowest I can lift the vehicle without body chop and cutting the front bumper ?

This is aa kid hauler, grocery getter, and occasional off roading but no rock climbing.

My eyes are set on Bilstein 6112 front, and 5160 with lift springs rear, and SPC uca...

Any suggestion, information, advice, appreciated.. thank you

 

-6”

 

Westcott design https://westcottdesigns.net/product/tacoma-tundra-4runner-bilstein-5100-preload-collar-lift-kit/

should give you the ability to lift the vehicle without doing any trimming and fit 285s

 

.
https://www.4runners.com/threads/min-lift-for-285-70-17.7826/

Have you chosen a specific tire and brand? That's the first thing you need to know - FOR SURE. Then you can more accurately approach lift requirements - if needed?

 

Either General Grabber AT/X or BFG KO2

BTW thank you for the link

 

I’m going to quote myself because there is a work around for this now without doing any body work... it doesn’t answer your question regarding wheel size but if you want the trd pro wheels then go with aftermarket like FN, highly rated and sold in 8 and 8.5 I believe

 

I didn't look, but how do they compare size wise? Height, width, & weight(very very close/or is one definitively larger(as in taller, wider or heavier). Plus, check their compatibility with your chosen rim width? Just thinking out loud and tossing out things you should likely consider. May save you some $ and aggravation.

 

Stock height.

 

Lift isn't the only issue. Rubbing is a lot front & back of the tires.

 

I wouldn't even bother. If you're not doing a lot of offroading, it's not necessary to lift or upsize in tire unless you're doing it for looks. Otherwise, it will make your 4R worse in every other way.

On mine, I went from the stock size P265/70/17 Dueler HT to P265/70/17 Grabber ATX, and it basically made everything worse. Destroyed my gas mileage by 2-3mpg, it's (even) slower, louder, and not as smooth on the highway. Honestly I kind of hate driving it now.

If you still want to upsize in tire though, look into a 255/80/17. It' a little taller than a 285, but a good bit narrower so rubbing isn't an issue even on stock suspension (so I'm told).

 

No need to reply to this, but I've wheeled in Colorado, tons of offroad parks, and now apparently in the Blizzard of 2021. 265/70/r17 here. I regularly offroad with people on 35"s, keep up just fine.

285's are a status symbol, which is fine, it's your ride. But it's totally not worth the effort. Just keep your 265s, find a more aggressive tread, and tell everyone they are 285s. No one is ever going to realize you're missing .37" of ground clearance.

 

2....voices of experience. KISS

 

OP don't take my post as anything but painful personal experience. I put 33"s, cut a bunch of stuff up, and dealt with speedometer issues, heavy tires wrecking MPG, and trying to get all the follow up cutting done. For virtually no benefit offroad, I sacrificed my daily driver quality so much I was debating selling my Tacoma.

 

Not sure why people think fitting 285s is hard to do or they cutting a shit ton.

I just removed by front mud flaps and cut the front bumper. Less than 30 minutes of work.

And I don't care what anyone says 33's look better.

 

If you don't get square cross section profile tires (such as Nitto TG-2 of BFG TKO) you will be ok with 285/70/17 and 0 lift. I use Nitto TG (original) which has round cross section and no rub issues with after little plastic trim and mudflap heat gun adjustment.

 

No one has offered a post that was intended to offended anyone else...that I can see. They're offering opinions based on THEIR experience. In the end, we all decide how and what we're going TO DO based on either our wants or our needs. Sometimes both. It's all good!

 

I do think 33's look better and I personally have seen so many combinations I can tell the extra wheel well fill out from a 33.

However, I will challenge you to put 33's on your vehicle and wheel the hell out of it where you're moguled on 2 wheels, stuffing the other tires in the wheel wells with no cutting and not rub. That even made my 32's rub.

The main reasons for this is offset, specific dimensions of different manufacturers, and tire/wheel width stretching the footprint.

Since you don't care what I think I'll tell you that 33's do look better but it's hardly a situation where, other than looks, it matters.

 

Sounds like you picked the wrong wheel/tire combo.

It's actually quite easy to fit 285's. All you need is a wheel that fits certain specs (stock OR wheel is perfect) and a proper alignment. Minimal trimming as well......the same trimming they do on the Pro's at the port.

Not all 285's are heavy. Shopping around for some lighter ones like Toyos and Firestone Destinations won't impact mpgs as much.

Lastly, our trucks show the correct speedo reading with 285's. It's off with the stock tires.

 

That time I did.

2 years later I came in well informed, with a set of Load C BFG (tend to undersize) with a 8.5" wheel (wanted 8") and a -12MM offset for both side protection and stance. Even with 265 I had to trim that config, but keeping the wheel lighter, less wheel width, and a smaller tire allowed me this setup with minimal trimming and I got to keep my front mud flaps. The UCA has 3 degrees caster as well, so even though I gently rub the mudflap on full stuff, I never encounter the situation in anything but a full lock turn + full stuff now, and it happens so infrequently I always wonder what the sound is for a moment.

The OP said he really doesn't offroad much, so I imagine fitting 285's won't be a big problem because you don't stuff the wheels unless you're really flexing things out. For the looks he's likely never to experience it.

 

100% agree they look good!

I'm just not convinced that other than looks, they're worth the trouble. You're not going to get a ton of extra ground clearance, it's going to screw with your gearing, it's going to make it feel slower, and it's going to give you worse miles per gallon. Granted we don't buy these for fuel economy, however the less money we spend on fuel the more money for other things.

 

0"

Wheel offset and alignment are the biggest factors.

FWIW rocking 295/70/17 on 2.3" front lift with 3.9° caster, BMC, and some trimming

 

If you actually off road (not mudding, not the dirt road to your favorite hiking trailhead) you’ll see the benefits of having a bigger tire. If you crawl the mall, you won’t like the cons that come with bigger tires. My two cents

 

I mean if you follow that logic then don't leave home without 35's. I am a soft roader more than anything, but I did Black Bear Pass and Imogene Pass with 32's and I didn't die.

I feel this thread evolving it's a measuring stick kind of thread with comments like mine above. I'm gonna step away from it because I really like this forum's community and feel I'm not contributing to the better part of it for now.

 

Lol, it’s doable with a stock rig 100%. My point is it’s more of a tool/aid and creates more ease. Do I want to be white knuckle driving on a difficult trail? Definitely not. All off road mods create ease and allow for better performance is what I’m getting at and like anything else, they’ll have a downside. That is all

 

Fair enough Mtbpsych. I think when people on the forums ask us for advice we all assume they want to build a rig like we have for the stuff we do. I should have led off like I normally do on these types of threads, by asking them why they are trying to do the thing they want to do, listen to their answers, and then compose the advice.

 

4R on 31's = Skipping Leg Day

Just saying.

 

A 4Runner and Tacoma with a modest lift and 33's look great - cannot be denied! As someone that is sitting on the fence between a Pro and a ORP, and will will not be rock crawling! A stock 4R will be more than capable for my intended purposes of modest 4wheeling of necessity and not sport. I am currently skiing for a week in Jackson Hole and there are stock SR5 4R's everywhere. The stock look is starting to grow on me. At the end of the day, how many of us really need the 4WD capabilities beyond the stock version of the various 4Runner trims?

 

I bought a Pro because I didn't want to mod it too much. I was coming from a Rubicon with 37's. I also picked the Pro because I knew Eibach had Pro specific springs coming out and it would be an inexpensive way to run 285's. I know it didnt give me much extra ground clearance, but it did make it look 100% better. This is for comparison purposes and I like the way my 4R looks now.

Stock:



After:

 

Agree 100%. I have a set of 255/80R17 pizza cutters on mine with stock suspension. No way is it leaving pavement (or well graded dirt roads) until my lift goes on. It's easy enough to avoid any rubbing on pavement when all 4 wheels distribute the weight, but that's it.

 

Great looking 4runner!

Even with lift, you'll probably need some trimming if you're going off-road with oversize tires. The lift only adds clearance until you stuff a tire. That's where alignment and trimming come in.