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flyinhoot · Nov 20, 2020

Red_5 said: ↑

Indeed. There's a reason we all laugh at this...

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ive had worse investments.

texas4runermom · Nov 21, 2020

@edgesalon
Here you go! She's dirty but that's normal life for her lol

edgesalon · Nov 21, 2020

it looks great & leveled hope you enjoy driving it and showing it off

Oldtoyotaguy · Nov 21, 2020

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I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding about how the spacers actually effect things. There is never any chance of a spacer falling out on 4Runner. That’s not a thing. The actual problem with spacers is compressing the suspension. A big pothole, a washout or rut you didn’t see coming on a dirt road, a g-out, they can all fully compress the suspension. When the suspension fully compresses there a bump stop that get smashed between the control arm and the frame that absorbs the hit so the dampers don’t. When you add a spacer, let’s say a 3 inch spacer, you make it so the suspension can’t physically hit the bump stop anymore. The dampener will bottom out on itself and smash metal to metal internally long before it can even start to hit the bump stop. There is a ton of force that should be absorbed that gets transferred to things that should receive that much force. The result is the lower shock mount bending at best and the upper spring mount braking off the frame at worst. Spacers remove a fundamental component of suspension functionality. The only safe way to run a spacer on the 4Runners IFS is to extend the hump stops by a significant amount so they can still function, but at that point you’ve removed so much travel from the suspension that they aren’t even worth having.

An actual suspension lift on the 4Runners IFS does not add tire clearance, however a spacer can in the sense that you remove upwards travel from the suspension so you won’t stuff a tire, but that is completely the wrong way to go about accomplishing that.

When 1 big unexpected bump can cause catastrophic failure I’d argue they are not adequate for any off-roading.

When the suspension bottoms out hard and the spacers prevent the bump stop from doing their job here’s what you end up with...

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Well said and good photo. Thanks for your post, Agent_Outside.

Singleminded · Nov 21, 2020

texas4runermom[OP] said: ↑

@edgesalon
Here you go! She's dirty but that's normal life for her lol

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Looks great! And worst case scenario is you decide to do some more mods later, after you get a better sense of how these mods work and what you like / don't like. It'll be fun!

Toy4X4 · Nov 22, 2020

Agent_Outside said: ↑

I think you have a bit of a misunderstanding about how the spacers actually effect things. There is never any chance of a spacer falling out on 4Runner. That’s not a thing. The actual problem with spacers is compressing the suspension. A big pothole, a washout or rut you didn’t see coming on a dirt road, a g-out, they can all fully compress the suspension. When the suspension fully compresses there a bump stop that get smashed between the control arm and the frame that absorbs the hit so the dampers don’t. When you add a spacer, let’s say a 3 inch spacer, you make it so the suspension can’t physically hit the bump stop anymore. The dampener will bottom out on itself and smash metal to metal internally long before it can even start to hit the bump stop. There is a ton of force that should be absorbed that gets transferred to things that should receive that much force. The result is the lower shock mount bending at best and the upper spring mount braking off the frame at worst. Spacers remove a fundamental component of suspension functionality. The only safe way to run a spacer on the 4Runners IFS is to extend the hump stops by a significant amount so they can still function, but at that point you’ve removed so much travel from the suspension that they aren’t even worth having.

An actual suspension lift on the 4Runners IFS does not add tire clearance, however a spacer can in the sense that you remove upwards travel from the suspension so you won’t stuff a tire, but that is completely the wrong way to go about accomplishing that.

When 1 big unexpected bump can cause catastrophic failure I’d argue they are not adequate for any off-roading.

When the suspension bottoms out hard and the spacers prevent the bump stop from doing their job here’s what you end up with...

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We went with a spacer lift/leveling kit (RevTek), but we put DuroBumps bumpstops on also, we hardly use our Runner to extreme measures but once upon a time it will happen where you put yourself in a "bottom out" position, and will it last once or 30 times before it wrecks? I bought them from a person who wasn't wanting them, he's happy, and I guess I'm happy...... at least till I get our Elka suspension!

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