OEM Bridgestone Dueller tires that are on new TRD ORP

Does anyone have comments on the Bridgestone tires that come on new ORP 4Runners?
On pavement, on dirt roads, early failures ?
I'll be picking up a new TRD ORP this week. Wondering how bad it will be to run the stock rubber for a while.

 

Early congrats on the new truck! I only have about 3K on mine, 95% highway. Some very limited off-roading only hard packed and sandy. No real trouble so far, but I am already drooling over the Falken Wildpeaks and a set of TRD Pro wheels.

 

Fine for street use.

Not acceptable for any sort of dirt and absolutely unsuitable for off road use.

Tires should be the first mod any owner makes if they truly plan to use the 4R as a 4wd.

 

I took my bone stock Runner on a trip with built jeeps on 35's. I never even bothered to air down but they did. About half way through the trail their comments via the radio where similar to, "Holy crap look at that grocery getter go." And, "Wow, kind of sorry I spent all this money on suspension."

Stock 4Runner is a VERY capable vehicle.

 

I blew a stock tire out on a trail the first couple months after I got my 4Runner. It wasn’t a crazy trail but I probably should have air downed a little just to be safe. I sold the rest of the stock tires and than bought the falkens atw3 during Labor Day sale at discount tire. I recommend the falken if you decide to swap out tires.

 

Last spring I drove the Cathedral Valley loop in Capitol Reef on my stock tires. I think it was about 65 miles of dirt road, including the Fremont River crossing. It was somewhat rainy weather and mostly 2WD. I did not air down. No problems. Again, this was just my experience. YMMV...

 

My 2017 Taco TRD OR came with junk Goodyear Adventures with kevlar or some such. Had 3 nails and a blowout in about 6 months. Usually run E rated BFG KO2's, but it's a difficult time to do tires & wheels on the new 'runner.

 

I am still somewhat on the fence as far as suspension. I spent a large part of my life 4wheeling for a living, and I am willing to put up with the softer ride of the stock ORP. My wife would prefer it anyway. As far as tires, I am absolutely crap canning the duelers as soon as finances allow. I want the Falkens not just for aesthetics, but they will work well for the terrain here in So. AZ. First I will pick up the Pro Wheels from BAM, as I can get them shipped to me all in for about 700 bucks. TRD skid plate going on this week, and I am stoked!

 

I agree with the general concept of your post, that the 4R is capable.

However, 3 things come to mind while reading your anecdote, since a stock 4R offroad won't hold a candle to a built Jeep on 35s:

1) you are an incredible driver or
2) your friends are awful drivers or
3) you were on a graded dirt road or

any combination of the above

 

I can save you $700 on your project.

Keep OEM OR wheels.

Now you can buy those Falkens right quick.

 

I run Firestone Destination ATs exclusively (now the newer AT2), (edit, in C load, no less) and find them to be stellar tires. I'll have to go back to the trails in the 49 states I've been to on them and do it over on some 10 ply BFG KO2s in order to hold my head up, I guess.

 

Totally agree, I took my stock 4Runner 2 weeks after I bought it off roading in the Mojave Desert. Even with KDSS it did very well! I did air down once I hit deeper sand. On road the Bridgestones held very well through the twisty canyon roads especially with the KDSS I have. In stock form the 4Runner is a very capable off roader Just think adding only tires will add to the capability of the truck.

 

Yes. Great tires on a superb vehicle are helpful. I've gone some horrific places in an overloaded awful truck with rubber that would come apart in the tropical sun if not allowed to cool off every hour. Still got through, but I had to always work at it. Too old for that #$%&?@ these days. Some of the new OEM tires are very badly made.
But I'll give the Bridgestones a try for a while as I decide what I want to run on the new rig.

 

I have been thinking of that option....

 

Both 1 and 2 assume that I was able to make it through the sections and they were not. This is not the case. All three of us made it through. The fourth guy in a stock Tacoma did not try. I do not believe he could have made it due to his wheelbase. So since all three of us made it, how can I be an incredible driver or they be awful drivers?

As to 3, explain to me why ANYONE would be impressed with the capabilities of a stock Runner being driven down a graded dirt road?

Nothing in your post makes any since at all. However I will admit that in EXTREME rock crawling situations, yes a built jeep on 35s will get you farther than a stock 4Runner. I know because I had a built jeep on 35s. It worked great for those 50 yards of trail on a three day trip. It sucked as a DD.

 

simple solution is to have your dealer put on the tires you want before they deliver it to you...did that with my runner and my tacoma...

 

I seen this video where they off road a stock 4Runner with Bridgestone Duelers and those tires handled everything that they threw at them.

https://youtu.be/HeFzmdHsCaw

 

Hey Starr, they’re great for highway use! I had the dealer switch out mine, though, before taking possession. Then I posted them for sale as new tires and sold them in one day for a good price. When they’ve been used, even if it’s for a week, they’re used. I knew I needed a better tire, so I made the switch right away while I could sell them for the maximum price.

 

I'll summarize my post that you quoted to make it more simple to understand:

All other things being equal (driver skill, same trail) a built jeep on 35s will be more capable than a stock 4R.

Hell, just the difference in tire size alone will allow the Jeep to clear more obstacles than a 4R. I can do the math for you if you have a hard time subtracting 32 from 35.

But that wasn't the point of the thread, OP was inquiring about stock tires vs upgraded tires. I debated even responding to your first post since it was off topic, but you got me.

 

Until the Jeep breaks down....

 

I mean, that goes without saying!

 

Apparently you need clarification.

At no time did I say my stock 4Runner was more capable than a built jeep on 35s. Go back and re-read my post or have someone read it to you and explain the multi syllable words. I said they were impressed with my completely stock 4Runner and what it could do and the STOCK tires.

We are all very proud of your basic math skills. Good job.

The ENTIRE point of this thread is how good are the STOCK tires and that is EXACTLY what my post referred to.

Stay healthy.

 

Your post:

You state that your bone stock 4Runner was capable of handling the same obstacles on this particular trail as a built Jeep with 3" larger tires. You actually didn't reference the tires in the first post but I'll accept that is my oversight, you did say "bone stock" which I suppose also would refer to tires. To be fair, and this is also my oversight, you did say that these comments about the 4Runner were received halfway through the trail, so we can't be sure what happened on the trail beyond that, but I'm assuming that everyone made it out which further lends credibility to my interpretation of your statement being the vehicles are equals.

Your experience may be true, I am not impugning your integrity; but between my several posts I am stating - in summary - that the only way your statement can hold true is if the Jeep drivers were sub-par operators, you are a rockstar driver, and / or the trail was so sedate that a Prius could do it.

You can say you aren't making a general statement that "all" stock 4Runners are as good as "built Jeeps on 35s" and that you are simply referring to your one experience, but if that's true, what's the value in posting it? Someone reads it and they take your post at face value and come away with the impression that a stock 4Runner is as capable as a built Jeep, right?

Further, you don't have to have a grasp on 'rithmetic or be able to count syllables in words to understand that all other things being equal, a built Jeep is more capable than a stock 4Runner. I'm not saying this as a Jeep fanboy, I never have owned a Jeep not do I give two shits about Jeeps. I'm simply disputing your insinuation that based on your one anecdotal experience a built Jeep and a stock 4Runner are equal in terms of off road prowess. Tire size alone would dictate that the Jeep can clear taller obstacles, and that's not taking into account anything else like wheelbase (2 door?), suspension, type of tires, etc.

But again, I accept the root statement you are making: the 4Runner is very capable. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm only clarifying (since it seems like a lot of posters here are new to 4Runners) that there are big gaps in capability between the two vehicles you reference.

Even with stock tires, it's decent. Tires designed for the task at hand make it stellar. I personally dislike the stock Duelers (or Dunlop AT20s depending on your area, mine has Dunlops). I've had my new truck for only a few weeks and I already have the suspension lift and 33" ATs on order, because I know from past experience that the type of driving I do and the places I go are best served with a quality AT tire. Right tool for the job and such. With a good tire you can often navigate in 2WD the same stuff that you'd almost have to be in 4WD to navigate through with the stock tires. Can the stock tires go offroad? Sure. But you can also stick a bowing ball up your ass if you try hard enough, doesn't mean you should make a habit of it if there's a better option. Or something like that...

 

Unfortunately not much option for selling new OEM pulloffs out here, especially staying out at the farm and no one wanting to move around unnecessarily. I do know I'll go to BFG AT E-Range KO2's. This will be my 6th set over 4 vehicles, and they work very well with all the sharp lava rock and other road hazards, as well as bad pavement & constant mud. Size is still up in the air for me. I like running a size larger than OEM, which in this case means LT275/70R17. The only place stocking and selling them at a reasonable price is Costco. Costco has a PITA policy of not installing tires that are not the OEM size. Sometimes they follow this, sometimes they look the other way. Sears used to be ok and easier to deal with, but since the bankruptcy they are very flaky and barely in business. Add to this, I am considering a set of TRD PRO black wheels, which my wife likes (I do too). Perhaps the dealer will be helpful here when I go in to make the deal.

 

Yes, that was the point, or I would rephrase it as "how bad are the stock Bridgestones". From what I am hearing, I can probably live with them for a couple of months. I've experienced tires that self-destruct on the road out here, DURO that is the no-brand import that are all over Hawaii is in that category, as well as the Goodyear Adventure OEMs from my '17 Tacoma. I have other options for when I want to go back of beyond. The lifted Wrangler and Tacoma ORP with KO2's and the farm Tundra, and the tractor for when the apocalypse comes.

 

Well this is now resolved. Got the dealer to give me a deal on the black TRD PRO wheels, and BFG KO2 tires are in stock on island, so Helen will have the new vehicle on Thursday! I forgot that the 17" 4Runner wheels will fit on the gazillion Tacomas that are running around Maui. That should make them an easy sale.

Will have to spice it up a bit. All that silver paint needs some contrast. I'll try not to be as flagrant with it as my Tacoma.

Been wanting a 4Runner since my friend had one in upstate NY the late 80's. It was way better than the Pathfinder I had.

 

I ran stock on mine for over a year and can say that I never had a problem. I’m not rock crawling or anything but trails for work and around the lake no problem. The KO2 in 275 was my choice and I couldn’t be happier. Take some time and make the decision.

side note, the 275s look good with a lift

 

Yeah, all good points. Our issue out where we live is that we're on a mostly unpaved road that eats lesser tires. Been here for 40 years, and razor sharp lava rock in the form of ancient rock walls on both sides of the narrow road with tall grass hiding them, (and chunks on the road at night) have created a lot of late night drama that the heavy E rated KO2's obviate. I will stick with 265/70R17s on the 'Runner, and zero lift, mostly because of the Costco policy that other tire guys are copying now, where if a tire isn't on the manufacturers doorplate, they won't install them. Tire and offroad shops charge premium prices for tires, and they charge $40 a tire plus extras to install; it's just easier to go to Costco and put up with their BS rules.
Also, when it gets wet, and it does quite often, there we are in a world of mud and rock. Hurricane season is coming soon to these islands. Check the avatar picture.

 

Yeah, Starr, I can see how what I did wouldn’t work for you. That’s the first I’ve heard of someone refusing to sell or install tires that aren’t recommended size. Who knew? Maybe buy them and get them installed by someone you know, say at a local shop. I live in a pretty small place where everyone knows everyone else, and it’s pretty easy to get things done if you’re on good terms with everyone. With the muddy conditions you describe, I can guarantee that you won’t be happy with those OEM tires. Too bad Toyota doesn’t offer better ones as an option. I’m sure a lot of customers would go for it. Btw, I run KO2s in summer. Great all around tire, bulletproof almost.