2025's are on the boat!

quick search on cars.com now showing a couple dozen 6th gens in-transit. looking at the corresponding dealer websites, actual ETA looks like the last week of January.

here's a Sport Premium...

https://www.mountainstatestoyota.co...-4Runner-e12b9ecaac1808a1f6a18bbe9faa1a5f.htm

 

It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the new Gen. That is some sticker shock


Just found this on Toyota inventory log. This should get your heart pumping

 

60 grand for the street version of a 4Runner that has what Hagerty/Jason Cammisa calls “easily the roughest, crudest, least-refined 4cylinder in the entire automotive business”?

Happy to step aside and let someone else lay down their deposit for that one.

 

above, it's not only that. on a top of that you have to buy extended warranty. and if you bought it on car loan, not on cash, you stuck with interest payments, and mandatory insurance bank required full coverage. and mandatory dealership service you required to maintain warranty. eventually this 4Runner will cost close to $100K.

 

For engine that purs like a Rickshaw! So disappointing!

 

The experts on the internet are going full throttle trying to stifle the dissent by shouting from the rooftops "it's just the way new DI and turbo engines run". I checked one out and it sounds at least 2x as loud as my Camry's 5S-FE with 250k miles, and the 5S was already known to vibrate and clatter a lot requiring a balancing shaft in later years' sedans to feel normal.

At this point I'm just waiting for the media blackout to be lifted so the 6th gen can be tested IRL, I wonder if its 0-60 can be achieved faster than the 8.1 seconds the new "LC" can manage with the same top level engine as the 4R, same weight, transmission, and so on.

 

I can imagine it’s much more loud than you Camry. My 2005 Accord with a V6 is much more quiet all around that the $63k LC. That thing sounds like rickshaw compared to my accord.

 

A recent MotorWeek test clocked a 1GR 4Runner faster to 60 and through the quarter than that LC250.

The 2.4T and its 465 lb-ft hybrid variant look great on paper, but in practice, they’re neither fish nor fowl. Trucks & SUV’s are practical devices; you can’t just throw in a noisy, boosted four, or eat up rear cargo space with batteries, and call it a day. How Honda seems to understand that more right now than Toyota is a head-scratcher.

 

Keep in mind that the V6 Honda is using in their "truck" and SUV's makes way less torque than even the non-hybrid turbo 4, and it's at a very high RPM. Fine for hauling groceries and running to the mall, but I'll take the extra torque as long as the T24A ends up being a solid engine.

I'm pretty sure that Toyota understands that people buy trucks and SUV's for towing and hauling, and wanted to give us more usable power than some wimpy little V6.

 

Never been at dealership buying new car?

 

Dealers pull shenanigans but never is it “required” across the board to buy all the extra warranties (it can be part of the deal, often you can cancel later) nor get your work done at the dealer.

You just need records for warranty but I don’t blame you for thinking that as dealers lie all the time.

Edit: Clarification, I am referring to the factory Toyota warranty. Not those you buy and certainly not those BS “you have to do every single maintenance item with us” lifetime “warranties”

 

With the power rating of the hybrid 2.4T the 0-60 should be under 7 seconds no matter how one slices it.

I wonder if with the transmission issues on Tacos, the LCs and such have updated throttle mapping to avoid overtaxing the gearbox.

Sure, but if the turbo hybrid set up ends up being slower when empty compared to the outgoing gas only model, where did the usable power go? Is the additional HP and torque only accessible when towing?

Keep in mind that the current Prius does it in 7.1 seconds according to Car and Driver

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42221299/2023-toyota-prius-by-the-numbers/

 

I don't really know why they're so slow. But, I'd be more interested in pulling power than speed, anyway. Look at a Cummins Ram. Slow as fuck, but great for towing.

 

I suppose, but day to day it's gonna be awkward to get gapped by Priuses on on-ramps or even 5th gens.

I guess all signs point to "just get the GX". LOL.

 

I couldn't blame anyone for leaning towards the GX. They seem to be the best looking of the new trucks and SUV's, and I'm sure they're super comfortable.

 

GX is sharp but is that not the same engine as in the Tundra with all the issues?

 

Yes. But, I thought it was a manufacturing error leading to the shavings being left in the engines, which didn't apply to the Japanese built engines.

I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.

 

Yeah I remember reading that also but was not sure if it was confirmed.

 

I agree, but Honda’s V6 is in a whole different league of NVH versus the 2.4T. Pilots spend most of their time in school drop-off lines, but Honda appreciates that customers still favor the balanced, smooth characteristics of a V6. Offering even a de-tuned version of the TTV6 in the 4Runner would just make a lot of sense.

 

Yeah, I'd bet that a lot of people would like that. I imagine that CAFE and emissions regulations are part of the reason we're not getting it, though.

I get that people don't like smaller engines with forced induction. But, considering the common complaints about the 5th gen (power, fuel economy), and the regulations they have to comply with, I think Toyota did what they thought was best for the 4Runner. Whether or not it works out is yet to be determined.

 

With the 4Runner, Land Cruiser (US) and GX being practically the same vehicle, Toyota has to (debatable) and is going to extra lengths to differentiate them.

4Runner already needs to be the sparsest, the SR5 has been decontented compared to 2024 and no way they’ll put any V6 in there with the hybrid/4 cyl Land Cruiser right “above” it and the GX’s V6 being such a notable point.

We have plenty of people talking about “might as well” paying more to get the GX and that’s where I’m betting the most profit for Toyota is out of all the options coming out of Tahara so they’ll surely be happy to oblige.

I’ll have to reserve complete judgement on the 2.4T but it sounds like a coarse 4-cylinder to me but not especially so in videos other than Jason C’s.

I admit I realized I missed the V6 getting behind the wheel of a Pathfinder and Borrego (vehicle test driving some years ago) but for the economy (IF it hits the estimates) and for a daily I can live with a 4-cylinder as long as it doesn’t strike me as coarser than the still livable (when it’s not seizing unexpectedly) HyunKia 2.4 I had. On the plus side, easier spark plugs and other top-end work.

 

That’s insane. You can get a new Sequoia for only a few thousand more than that.

 

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when the first pitch was made to move the new LC from the Sequoia/Tundra platform to the 4R/Taco platform.

 

I guess technically they’re all on the TNGA-F platform now.

 

I probably should have said drivetrain instead of platform

 

New SR5 for $43k I'll take it?

 

That is my understanding as well.

 

Here is a SR5 (appears roughly $8k dealer markup)?

 

It's too bad they couldn't keep the NA V6 / Hybrid combo (like the old Highlander hybrid or Ram eTorque V6). The electric motors do a great job at supplementing low end torque, and keeping the engine NA would be a lot simpler and probably address the majority of the reliability concerns. They probably couldn't make the emissions math work, though.

The 2.5L NA hybrid they have is great, but it would need more juice for the larger vehicles. It would be good in a 5 lug truck, but no one is paying $45-50k for that.

 

I dunno because emissions on these, based on the LC already out there, aren't really much better than current...