How many are going to trade for a 6th Gen?

I don't recall, was the Tundra engine a V6 or an i4?

 

It will take considerable proactive maintenance to make the 4Runner reach 500k.

You have to be on top of pretty much everything from frame, to plastic, to hoses, electrical parts, everything will need to be eventually replaced due to wear and tear.

Simple oil changes will not get you there.200k yes, 300k maybe, 500k, No.

At 200k I have changed so many parts beyond just oil changes to make this thing last. And OEM parts are not cheap.

 

It’s irrelevant. My concern is with the current Toyota build quality. Five years ago I wouldn’t question any engine coming out of a Toyota factory regardless of its number of cylinders or layout. They were all great.

 

What’s the highest mileage 4Runner here? Do we have any high mileage threads here like Tacoma world? Mine is going to rust out well before the engine dies. Hopefully it can get to 200K first.

 

I´ll give a good 3 years of grace so I have an idea if Toyota resolved the Tacoma problems. So 2028 or later...

 

Really? So there was no headgasket failure with the early 3VZ-FE, or oil sludging with the 1MZ-FE, or oil consumption with the low tension piston ring 2AZ-FE?
Engines are complex (and getting more so now) so shit happens. And then Toyota takes care of it.

I suspect with the increasing complexity of engines going forward we will see more hiccups on on newly introduced powertrains from all makers. So double down on the old rule of thumb to avoid 1st year designs. Let someone else work out the kinks.

The Tundra V35-FTS has been out in a Lexus (car) since 2017, LC and LX600 since 2021, and it's in the GX550 that plenty of members here seem to be Jonesing for without apparent issue. The Tundra has a chunk (yes, a large chunk) of problematic motors. Toyota is working through it. Let them. Lets not condemn the motor, truck, and entire company for a bad production run. And we're pre-emptively doing it to the T24-FTS in the Tacoma and 6th gen. They haven't even broken yet...

 

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This guy sounds like someone who works in manufacturing.

 

This was my thought too. I'll give 'em a few years to work out the bugs. Add a few things we really want, delete some crap that we don't. Then I can read what the fanboys have been doing to their rigs and see what works best (for me) and what I can afford.

I really do like the look of the 6th gen's and like the features, but I just paid my 4Runner off - and it only has 15k miles - so I can wait for a minimum of 3yrs before I even think about buying a new one.

 

Exactly. Remember the 3rd gen. The 1999 has been generally viewed as the best year. They finally got the cup holders and switches right. And it was the highest sitting model straight out of the factory. But hadn't gotten the redheaded stepchild transfer case, or lowered back down because of the Ford/Firestone fiasco. As I posted above, let someone else work out the kinks.

 

Your timeline for the V35 implementation is a bit fuzzy. The 2021 year for LX really means starting in MY2022, of which the LX600 is within the recall as well as 2023 MY. The 300 series LC in Toyota nameplate is not even sold state side, and in middle east and other markets it is offered alongside the 1GR as well as the 3.3 diesel so it is debatable how much we know about how the V35 works in the 2021-2023 model year LC300.

At this time very few GX550 has been delivered to customers so not sure if "without apparent issues" can be said by anyone yet.

If this was a motor used in a Yaris or something it's one thing, but the fact that it is used in the Land Cruiser and LX carries some expectations to most people.

 

Except LS500s have been eating main bearings going back to 2018. You just don't hear about them often because only senior citizens buy the LS500.

 

Indeed. Only people I know dailying 3rd gen 4Runners at those miles are Toyota mechanics with a spare parts vehicle in the back yard...

 

Interestingly the T24A-FTS and the hybrid system have been the most reliable parts of the 4th gen Tacoma so far... The T24A has seen mainstream service in the Highlander, which is widely abused in taxi and airport limo duty.

Hell, I'd wager the hybrid system will be more reliable than the rear A/C system in GX'es.

 

I think I'm in the wait and see mode as well. At least to the 2nd or 3rd year.

I think that the new Tacoma is a pretty massive update over the old one. Specifically the seating position which is a lot more comfortable. With the new 4Runner it's a lot nicer BUT you can update your 5th gen with a lot of nice aftermarket parts. I have a tune, an aftermarket heated steering wheel and Sony stereo installed (see attached picture) and it modernizes my 15 Trail Premium a lot. It drives way better too and is enjoyable to take on the road compared to how it was when I first got it.

 

That's the nature of hybrid systems that hides defects or short comings in gas engines since the gas motors don't work as hard when as a part of a hybrid system with the electric part does a lot of the cold start, bumper to bumper duty and low end grunt, they don't see a lot of the wear that gas only vehicles see.

Some of Ford and GM's most well regarded modern drivetrain set ups include those of Fusion Hybrid and Volt PHEV.

 

^Grasping at straws there.

The weak point of the 4th gen Tacoma has been the new 8-speed tranny, with some failing at triple-digit miles and some owners getting repeat failures. This compared to the previous 6-speed which has been bulletproof in over 1.9 million 3rd gens sold despite all the complaints of gear hunting... So if there are any doubts about 6th gen 4R, it should be focused there.

 

Facts are confusing and terrifying to some people, it appears. LOL.

 

The fact is the T24A has been reliable. Everything else is contrived projection and imagination.

 

I've no doubt very few issues have been reported by all those units sitting on dealer lots.

The "fact" remains, there is a relatively small number of T24A engines in general public use and only for a short period of time, and even smaller number of that are in truck use by people who use them more than as commuters. My area is flooded with 3rd gen Tacos and 5th gen 4Runners and the only 4th gen Taco I have seen is a rental my neighbor had while his 23 Highlander was at the dealer for something.

In 3-4 years we will know how it fares by people who tow, haul, offroad with these things. Until then calling them "reliable" is the very definition of "projection and imagination". To this day Toyota has not really acknowledged wide spread issues on another well known 2.4 motor in its arguably 2 most reliable models (XV30 Camry and contemporary Rav4).

 

Fair enough, I mis-spoke on the GX and should have said "apparent concern" as so many would also not touch a Tundra with a twenty foot pole but we're cool with the GX. For the LC, I don't care where they are selling the engine, if they were failing, we would hear about it. And you're totally blowing off the LS500. Maybe because the application is on a car but it shouldn't matter. If there is a design flaw, it would show up. The failed Tundras have done so in short order. It's not like these Tundra owners have been constantly running around with full payload and /or max towing straight from the dealer.

I'm a senior and we love to complain. If my 80-100K new-ish vehicle had major failure you can bet your bottom dollar I'd be advertising it. So, show me.

 

with only about 2600 LS sold in 2022 counting 2021 model year units, and just under 2300 in 2023, if I was still at my previous job in quality control and try to use that sample size to derive my confidence interval, I would be fired faster than a Ram salesman running for the door.

If you know Lexus at all you would know any issue on their flagship products will be handled with velvet gloves and the owner would be provided a loaner no questions asked, the dealer might even pick up the car up from the owner's house and drop off the loaner.

The typical LS buyer does not want to know what's wrong, just that they are properly taken care off with minimal disruption to their daily routine. The chance of a 22-24 LS owner going on internet forums talking about issues with the turbo V6 is....slim.

 

Agreed, and even just time becomes a factor. My wife's RX is low miles but going on 20 years old. Here in the desert rust is not an issue but everything rubber and plastic is. When I did her timing belt, damn near every evap/vacuum hose broke up on disconnection and all had to be replaced. When her power steering pump was going I wised up and checked all of those hoses ahead of time and decided they would best be replaced as well. $400 in parts became $1500 and after investigating the hose procedure decided to have someone else do it... And eventually OEM parts become unavailable.

 

"The typical LS buyer". Do you mean the 4900 people that are not an adequate sample size?

 

A bad production run? It’s three years worth of trucks with junk engines.

 

That is what they are recalling. Not that they are all necessarily "junk".

 

I bet we can all concede that once we see one lifted with 35’s and steel bumpers, we’ll like the aesthetics

 

Good point! It'll be interesting to see one decked out with armor/lift/tires. Apparently 35's fit pretty easy on the 4th gen Tacos, so that's a definite plus.

 

Well they will be junk once they are removed from the trucks.

 

Just slightly worse than the junk XREAS system that Toyota has been pumping out the past two decades. You know, that one that fails just past the bumper-to-bumper warranty and costs north of $4k to fix if staying with OEM parts.

 

Hopefully the hybrids get the Tundra axle like the Tacomas and not the small rear diff like the LC250.