1st maintenance - no oil change?

What exactly am I lying about?

Not needed as in not needed because people have not been doing the recommended procedures in these videos without ever have issues. There are still more 4Runner owners that change their oil at 10K without ever having issues. My PCV in my Tacoma was stuck open when I purchased new. A quick cleaning and it was fine until 150K miles when it was totally. So a valve swap was certainly possible but not needed.

 

You said “All I’m trying to say is use the videos as a guide, not as fact.”

That is not what you have said before or after. I have only seen you say “not needed”. I have never seen you say use it as a guide before that post.

Using it as a guide would assume someone should take the information in and understand what is being said and why. After doing that then make up your mind on what you should do. That is not the same as telling people it’s “not needed”.

Again it seems like you only want to try and possibly hurt others instead of helping others understand all the information.

 

San Angelo, don't feed the troll.

 

Certainly things are still not needed and other videos should be used as a guide. Anything else?

 

I am not going to anymore. I just want it here to point all new users to it to show that some like to hurt instead of help and they need to be carful.

 

Like to hurt? Bold statement from someone can’t read what the maintenance plan includes.

 

Exactly... We are on the same page...
Hence, change every 5K miles to cover most cases......
Better be safe than sorry.... 10K is for people who would drive 200 miles on highway everyday....
I rather strip an oil pan and helicoil it rather than have the issue on the video with a scored piston bore...
To add to that something that I did not know. The early 4runners user manual stated you should change oil 5K ...... So what changed???
Again, I trust the guys who see these engines daily, not just the car care nut, but also Dave's engine re-builder....

 

What's changed since the mid '80s?

Are you kidding me?

How about the wide spread use of synthetic oil. How about advance fuel injection and other engine management parameters?

And please explain to me how 10,000 mile oil changes would contribute to scored cylinder walls. The oil that is pumped through the engine has been filtered.

 

I think one of the big issues now is that some engines have low tension rings (not the 4.0).

The other issue is that there is confusion on what is considered severe duty vs non severe duty.

The 10k mile is designed for normal duty use and more importantly mixed with “environmental” concerns along with marketing needs. Marketing gets to tell a customer you only need to spend money on an oil change once every 10k and the EPA is happy because less waste oil is produced. The issue is the EPA is not worried about your future cost and marketing is only concerned about the motor while it’s under warranty.

Yes synthetics are much better vs oil from even just 10 years ago but are they being used correctly is what most don’t seem to ask correctly. There are lots of people that say 10k is ok but will laugh when they are told the transmission has lifetime oil.


As to your question about the oil being filtered. Are you really sure it’s being filtered as much as you think it is? It can only catch so much and how do you know if it has not gone into bypass mode?


Edit… forgot to add in the mid 80s we were told every 3 months or 3K with conventional oil but when synthetic started to come on stronger we were told every 6 months or 6k

 

Am I really the only one who thinks some clown making a video that says your Toyota engine will blow up if you don't change the oil every 5k is silly useless clickbait for yt views?

It's ridiculous really and not credible.

 

Well he claims to have rebuilt several engines and believes it’s from the oil change interval. All I know is he has more experience than I do on the subject. That’s in addition to every mechanic I have spoken to and some are friends have said the same thing any they make no money from me by changing my oil more often and they defiantly don’t get any YT money. I have never been told by a tech (I am talking about techs that dont make money from me) to put more mileage on the clock before changing oil.

Here is another way to look at it. What money does that specific mechanic get from you if you do change oil more often? The only thing he got from you is an extra click.

 

No it just means you’re a lying troll and are only here to cause harm…or so I’m told.

 

Where are all these blown up toyota motors from 10k oci's?

 

Did you watch the video? Wouldn't that be one

 

Personally I’d be pretty happy to have gotten 180K miles out of that car. Most of the vehicles I have owned have been pretty worn out and traded in way before that.
How do we know that this is caused by 10K oil changes and not by something dumb that the dealers oil change monkeys did? Maybe they never changed the filter, put in the wrong type of oil, etc. I change the oil in my 4Runner between 7,500 and 10,000 miles depending on my free time/weather and the synthetic oil coming out is still pretty clean. Synthetic oil is not the same as the regular oil from the past.

 

I think he knows his stuff but is way too passionate about caring for mechanical objects. Reminds me of Puddy from Seinfeld.

 

This video is stupid though.

 

Bingo. I don't understand why people can't just read the maintenance manual, compare how they operate their 4Runner to what the maintenance manual says, then pick 5K, 10K, or something in between oil change intervals. The maintenance manual clearly lays out the conditions you have to be primarily driving under to need 5K oil change intervals. On the other hand, I don't give a shit if someone wants to pay extra to have more frequent oil change intervals than what is really needed. Their decision - doesn't affect me at all. I am the poster boy for 10K oil change intervals - none of the Additional Maintenance Items for Special Operating Conditions listed in the maintenance manual apply to me. Based on that, and other research I've done over the years - I'm totally comfortable with 10K intervals. In fact, I think I could probably go over 10K - and I suspect that a lot of 10+ year old 4Runners that I see driving all over the place routinely go significantly over 10K oil change intervals. The 4Runner has been consistently rated as one of the most reliable, trouble free vehicles for years. They would not have the reputation they have if the difference between 5K and 10K intervals was blown up engines, scored cylinder walls, etc... And this idea of Toyota only being concerned with the vehicle making it past the warranty period - hence the 10K interval recommendation - are you serious? Reliability and longevity, especially for 4Runners, is one of Toyota's biggest selling points. It was one of the top, if not the top, selling point that drew me to the 4Runner. Yet people are saying the recommended 10K oil change interval is just so people will think they will save money on maintenance, or make the EPA happy by reducing the amount of waste oil - and Toyota only cares if their vehicles make it past the warranty period. Do you not think that Toyota understands a little bit about who buys their vehicles? This strategy would be a monumentally bigger mistake for Toyota than it was for AB to put Dylan Mulvaney on the Bud Light can. Again, as I said earlier, if you want to go with 5K intervals, even if you don't meet the special operating conditions, because better safe than sorry or you are trying to set the world record for highest mileage 4Runner - have at it. I won't criticize you for it. Heck, I'll tell you, if I even met one of the special operating conditions in the maintenance manual - I'd probably go with 5K intervals - just to be safe. I just can't justify it - but I won't fault those who can. The reality is that 10K synthetic OCIs are just fine for a whole lot of 4Runner owners.

 

Now that we have successfully beat the ever living crud out of the horse can we now start an argument on the proper use of a paragraph?

 

Early 5th gen 4Runners that is, not 80s 4runner. Synthetic was very common in 2010.
The book said 5K oil changes... so what changed???????
Marketing... To convince people that they can do less work on their cars....

 

HAHAHHAHAA

apparently, he did not watch the video...... or even worse, he watched it but does not understand it.....

 

Or maybe after years of use they confirmed that 10K was fine.

 

Isn't that how you excel in your area? being passionate and caring..... and not a crook...

 

It’s a basic mass produced car. It’s not going to last forever. Most people have better things to worry about in life than babying their car. The owner got 180K miles out of the thing. Be happy you got that much and move on. Putting several thousands into fixing it was stupid. How many of you guys regularly keep vehicles for that long? An awful lot of you seem to have pretty new 4Runners…that will get traded in a couple of years.

 

my 2007 SR5 had 202k before it was sold. Still have my 2011 SR5 which just hit 170k. My 2022 TSE just 43k. So yes, I plan on running them until they stop running. I like taking care of my cars and it shows.

 

I was wrong. It wasn’t Puddy it was Tony. The Car Care Nut is him. Hilarious.
https://youtu.be/xez2n371MTo?si=qcowNCHd6y-Lxjrr

 

His post was about factory recommended oil change intervals for "early" 4Runners. (79-84)

Speaking of "marketing". Do you really think the oil change industry built around the 3,000 mile oil change intervals is not doing some "marketing" of their own to protect their cash flow?

 

240k on my Tacoma with the awful 10k and even one 17k oci.....

 

Did you plastidip the roof rails and end caps or used some other paint?