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TSS light/PCS Malfunction See Dealer warning after lift/bumper install fix!

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by singalls, May 3, 2023.

  1. May 3, 2023 at 10:02 AM
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    Hi all,

    Just thought I'd share a solution to a problem I got after installing a Fox 2.5 suspension and C4 Low Pro Bumper with a winch.

    Shortly after everything was installed, the TSS light went off. Took it to the dealer and they blamed the Dr. KDSS switch which is unrelated and sends error codes (on purpose) to the system. Talked to Dr. KDSS himself who was very helpful and confirmed the KDSS was doing what it was supposed to. Brought it back to the dealer with no KDSS error codes and they then blamed the bumper. Then a few days later, the PCS Malfunction See Dealer warning went on in the display and it wouldn't go away. I'd press the arrow button to clear it and it came back 5 seconds later. Talked to C4 and they said in no way is it the bumper and verified from pictures of my install that it looked good.

    Felt stuck between the install place, the dealer, and the suppliers in a circular blame game.

    I found a few videos and was able to solve the problem by adding two washers to the PCS sensor to re-angle it a bit more downward and that did the trick. It must have been the new suspension throwing off the geometry of the sensor. I put two washers on the two 10mm bolts on each side to angle the sensor just a bit downward. All warnings then went away!!!

    Here are the videos I found helpful.

    How to disconnect the PCS sensor from C4:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exg6lHczt4Q&t=133s

    The washer solution:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zGs21QRfG4&t=414s

    Just thought this might help others in who find themselves with the same problem.
     
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    Excellent info.
     
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    Good catch!
     
  4. May 10, 2023 at 8:27 AM
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    I'm going to update this. The light came back on... arg!!! I tried adding a second washer to each of the side 10mm bolts and that didn't work. So I went the other way and removed the washers from the 10mm bolts and added one washer to the top screw to tilt the sensor up. That seemed to work for now! Hurray! We will see if it lasts. My next move will be to just replace the sensor ~$300. These things are finicky!
     
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    Look for a 3rd party in your area to recalibrate your existing sensor. Ask your local reputable body shops if they have the setup to do it. If not, who do they sublet their recalibration work to.
    Seems like your sensor is working but needs recalibration. A new one will need to be calibrated as well.
     
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    Had the same problem when I installed the front bumper for the winch. I tried the C4 TSS sensor relocate bracket. It only worked for a short bit (a few minutes). Found out the sensor needs to be centered on the grill to work correctly. So I relocated the sensor below the original location and made a cover plate. I just cut out the bottom portion where the original sensor cover is (blank space) and made a bracket behind the grill to mount the TSS sensor. Basically dropping the sensor so it would think it is at the stock location. This mod works perfectly and had no problems since then.

    TSS relocate.jpg
     
  7. May 11, 2023 at 8:19 AM
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    I'm glad I left my '22 4R stock. Too many safety stuff on the new ones.
     
  8. May 11, 2023 at 11:13 AM
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    is yours the C4 bumper with mid height bull bar? Known to be interfering with TSS sensor no?
     
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    Hey wondering if you were able to figure this out? Also got a c4 bumper with the TSS relocation but its giving a malfunction error. Wondering how to proceed.


     
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    I am lifted 2.5" with the c4 and winch. No bull bar and have had zero issues with TSS errors. I do not have the TSS relocation.
     
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  11. Oct 13, 2024 at 10:24 AM
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    I mostly fixed my problem with the washer solution that is suggested in the videos from the top of the thread. It took a few tries of experimenting which way to angle it. People have been suggesting that it needs to be re-calibrated in other posts but I couldn't find anyone who knew how to do that. The dealership didn't. I have the low-pro bumper so the relocation kit wasn't necessary. I think my main issue was the lift, not my bumper but who's to know. The TSS is a bit maddening. I wish I didn't have it.
     
  12. Oct 13, 2024 at 10:29 AM
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    You have the low pro without bull bar? And that still gave you an error?
     
  13. Oct 13, 2024 at 10:31 AM
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    Yes. I have the low pro with no bull bar. But again, I think it was the fox 2.5 lift I put on at the same time that was the culprit as it changed the angle/height of the tss sensor.
     
  14. Oct 13, 2024 at 10:38 AM
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    I don’t know for sure if height itself would make a difference.

    Maybe if the lift caused more or less rake that would do it? I could be wrong but I think the sensor malfunctions if something is on the way, but if there’s no bull bar, changing the rake might change the angle of the sensor and causes it to think something is in front and malfunction?
     

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