Criss cross tires when rotating?

Spare Parts · Sep 21, 2024

Airdam said: ↑

People continue to buy BF Goodrich tires, even though they require constant rebalances to keep them smooth and they give less mileage than any of the other major AT tires.

DYOR
If you do, you might always come to the same conclusion you have just come to because all the google searches say the same thing. Do you trust google enough? Have they ever lied to you before? Have manufacturers ever told you something that preserved their best interests and bought and paid for everyone to parrot their "info" so you only hear what they want you to hear? big oil, big pharma, and big gobbermint do it all the time and lie to you and me on the daily. You dont think tire companies would do it?

The front has more weight, and deforms the tire differently than the rear as the tire contacts the road. If you run a lot of highway at high speeds, this can cause the cupping you see in some tires. Sure most people think its alignment, alignment is more critical to the wear on the inside or outside of the tire but if the alignment is proper and you are still getting cupping, its typically from running the wrong air pressure and also running lots of high speeds. You can put a cupped tire on the rear and in xxx mileage see it start to wear back more evenly. You can also slow down -10mph on the highway and get rid of the cupping on the fronts. My 3500 ram would only cup the front tires when i was running out west 80+mph (speed limit was 80 and i was running 85-87) but once i got back home and rode around two months at normal speeds and around town the tires would flatten back out and wear smooth again. The rear drive tires typically wear faster than the front steer tires, and in FWD vehicles the front drive tires wear faster than the rear tires.

I normally dont rotate my tires because i see about the same wear front to back with my modest style of driving on my 4R, but i did rebalance and rotate at 40,000, and then again at 90,000 when i start to get a little shimmy, they are still smooth currently at 107,000 so i think i am likely going to replace them around 125,000 or so. This is on a 4R that has been cross country a dozen times, been to BAJA races and chased races with gear, hauled a trailer at LEAST 15% of its miles on the road (probably more like 20-25%) i chase races all across the country and haul machines everywhere. I have a trailer hooked up for the last two weeks straight now, i did 7+ hours two weeks ago, and this weekend i am back and forth about 2 hours away and about to leave and head back for the races at 12 today. I chase races from the west coast to the east coast, and pull all sorts of machines and equipment everywhere. You can use whatever method you want on your tires but i am telling you from a tremendous amount of experience what works for me.

THE ONLY PLACE you criss cross a tire is on a dually where the left front would go to the right rear to keep that tire spinning in the same rotation. on any standard 4 wheel vehicle, front to back.

My front tires have 28psi
My rear tires have 23-24psi
Rebalanced and rotated them at 40,000
Rebalanced and rotated them at 90,000
Currently 107,xxx

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So I’ll ask again, can you provide any thing to support your position about the belts bending statement. And I didn’t just read one thing, I spent a few days digging and coukd not find anything.

Turd Ferguson · Sep 21, 2024

Airdam said: ↑

This is the CORRECT way to rotate tires

People dont realize what happens to a tire once you put it on the road, and subject it to speeds and heat and the centripetal forces as the tire spins. The belts in a tire actually start to splay backwards, in a U pattern in the direction a tire is spinning. YOU SHOULD ONLY rotate tires front to back on the same side, NEVER CROSS TIRES. When you cross a tire, from one side to the other, you are then forcing the tire to spin the opposite direction from which is had been spinning. The steel belts in the tire, will then start to reverse and splay back the opposite direction from which they had been. This causes balancing issues and you would likely notice that if you criss cross tires, you are likely having to rebalance every 20,000 miles or you are getting shimmying. The steel belts, being subjected to the centripetal forces, and the tire spinning at speeds, forces the steel belts to more or less "lay" in one direction. This is why you dont want to change the direction the tire spins by crossing it. If you put the spare on one side, always leave it on that side (unless absolutely necessary).
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That’s BS. I’ve rotated my tires in an X pattern for years and never had a problem. Tons of people do this and tire manufacturers recommend it.

Turd Ferguson · Sep 21, 2024

Airdam said: ↑

People continue to buy BF Goodrich tires, even though they require constant rebalances to keep them smooth and they give less mileage than any of the other major AT tires.

DYOR
If you do, you might always come to the same conclusion you have just come to because all the google searches say the same thing. Do you trust google enough? Have they ever lied to you before? Have manufacturers ever told you something that preserved their best interests and bought and paid for everyone to parrot their "info" so you only hear what they want you to hear? big oil, big pharma, and big gobbermint do it all the time and lie to you and me on the daily. You dont think tire companies would do it?

The front has more weight, and deforms the tire differently than the rear as the tire contacts the road. If you run a lot of highway at high speeds, this can cause the cupping you see in some tires. Sure most people think its alignment, alignment is more critical to the wear on the inside or outside of the tire but if the alignment is proper and you are still getting cupping, its typically from running the wrong air pressure and also running lots of high speeds. You can put a cupped tire on the rear and in xxx mileage see it start to wear back more evenly. You can also slow down -10mph on the highway and get rid of the cupping on the fronts. My 3500 ram would only cup the front tires when i was running out west 80+mph (speed limit was 80 and i was running 85-87) but once i got back home and rode around two months at normal speeds and around town the tires would flatten back out and wear smooth again. The rear drive tires typically wear faster than the front steer tires, and in FWD vehicles the front drive tires wear faster than the rear tires.

I normally dont rotate my tires because i see about the same wear front to back with my modest style of driving on my 4R, but i did rebalance and rotate at 40,000, and then again at 90,000 when i start to get a little shimmy, they are still smooth currently at 107,000 so i think i am likely going to replace them around 125,000 or so. This is on a 4R that has been cross country a dozen times, been to BAJA races and chased races with gear, hauled a trailer at LEAST 15% of its miles on the road (probably more like 20-25%) i chase races all across the country and haul machines everywhere. I have a trailer hooked up for the last two weeks straight now, i did 7+ hours two weeks ago, and this weekend i am back and forth about 2 hours away and about to leave and head back for the races at 12 today. I chase races from the west coast to the east coast, and pull all sorts of machines and equipment everywhere. You can use whatever method you want on your tires but i am telling you from a tremendous amount of experience what works for me.

THE ONLY PLACE you criss cross a tire is on a dually where the left front would go to the right rear to keep that tire spinning in the same rotation. on any standard 4 wheel vehicle, front to back.

My front tires have 28psi
My rear tires have 23-24psi
Rebalanced and rotated them at 40,000
Rebalanced and rotated them at 90,000
Currently 107,xxx

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You have 107K miles on that set of tires or on the vehicle?

TrailSpecial22 · Sep 21, 2024

Turd Ferguson said: ↑

You have 107K miles on that set of tires or on the vehicle?
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hes claiming he has 107k on the tires and they still have all that tread on those Grabbers. I have my doubts as well

Turd Ferguson · Sep 21, 2024

TrailSpecial22 said: ↑

hes claiming he has 107k on the tires and they still have all that tread on those Grabbers. I have my doubts as well
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Yup unless those are the greatest tires ever created. I have around 110K miles on my 4Runner and am halfway through its third set of tires.

TrailSpecial22 · Sep 21, 2024

Turd Ferguson said: ↑

Yup unless those are the greatest tires ever created. I have around 110K miles on my 4Runner and am halfway through its third set of tires.
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agreed and pretty good mileage for underinflated psi’s as well.

I criss cross rotate my 32 psi Falkens religiously every 3k and I can just get the set to 57-60k before its time for a new set. oh and that whole time, they never need to be rebalanced. But then again, they must suck because I cant get double the tread life out of them.

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