1. Welcome to 4Runners.com!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all 4Runner discussion topics
    • Transfer over your build thread from a different forum to this one
    • Communicate privately with other 4Runner owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Why no weight-distribution hitch since 2009?

Discussion in 'Towing' started by Cincyguy, Jul 14, 2024.

  1. Jul 14, 2024 at 5:28 PM
    #1
    Cincyguy

    Cincyguy [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2024
    Member:
    #41628
    Messages:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2007 SR5 V6
    Aftermarket weight distributing hitch
    I’ve read many of the posts regarding towing, and am very surprised to find that no one seems to be concerned that the possibility of using a weight-distribution hitch went away permanently as of the 2010 model!
    A weight-distribution hitch is one that has arms that reach out to the frame and bolt onto it, allowing weight to be distributed to the front wheels. It is required if one is to use a weight distribution system.
    My 2007 SR5 V6 came with the standard receiver, bolted to the rear crossmember. Fortunately, at that time the V8 came with a true weight-distributing hitch. Because of that, every 4runner frame came with the pre-drilled to allow mounting an aftermarket weight-distribution hitch. That’s what I did, and it has worked wonderfully for me for 12 years.
    I would love to get a new 4runner with the same type of hitch, but that is no longer a possibility. I’m concerned about hauling my 17-foot Casita camper without a weight distribution system anymore.
     
  2. Jul 14, 2024 at 9:53 PM
    #2
    NeverTooLate71

    NeverTooLate71 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2024
    Member:
    #41063
    Messages:
    412
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bob
    Vehicle:
    2024 4Runner SR5
    From my experience of towing with my 2016 Tacoma TRD Off-road and a Jayco 154BH Baja, the Weight Distribution Hitch was a separate unit that attached to the frame of the trailer to help with distributing the weight off the tongue and to help with anti sway. If and when I get another Travel Trailer for my 2024 4Runner I will definitely get a Weight Distribution Hitch. "EZ Hitch"
     
  3. Jul 15, 2024 at 2:58 PM
    #3
    Cincyguy

    Cincyguy [OP] New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2024
    Member:
    #41628
    Messages:
    2
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2007 SR5 V6
    Aftermarket weight distributing hitch
    The term “hitch” is badly misused, since it can refer to what’s mounted on the vehicle versus what’s between the vehicle and the trailer. It’s better to call what’s between the vehicle and the trailer a “weight distribution system”.
    My point is that you won’t be able to use a weight distribution system to transfer part of the load to the front wheels unless there is a weight distributing hitch on the vehicle, i.e. one that has arms from the receiver out to the the frame rails.
    Trying to use a weight distribution system with a vehicle that only has the receiver on the rear crossmember actually invites major problems, as that flimsy receiver cannot deal with the twisting forces that are applied by the weight distribution system.
    No generation four or five 4Runner has any provision for a weight distributing hitch. All you get is the receiver bolted to the rear crossmember!
    Third-generation 4Runners came with a weight distribution hitch on the V8, but not on the V6. But the mounting holes existed on the V6 as well, so you could buy an aftermarket weight distribution hitch and bolt it right on. That’s what I did.
     
  4. Jul 15, 2024 at 3:49 PM
    #4
    AuSeeker

    AuSeeker Old As Dirt

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2018
    Member:
    #6604
    Messages:
    9,302
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Skip
    South Carolina
    Vehicle:
    2004 Limited
    You have your "Gens" mixed up, 2003 to 2009 is a 4th Gen, 2010 to 2024 is a 5th Gen.

    The hitch on 4th gen V8s T4Rs has been called by most T4Rs owners as the "V8 hitch"....BUT Toyota does refer to it a "Weight Distributing Hitch" in the owner's manual, but not on Toyota Parts/Dealer websites, but Toyota are the only one who call it that and only in the owner's manual.

    In the world of trailer hitches the hitch that bolts to the outer frame rails is called a "Class 3, 4 or 5" hitch, but what you need to look at the weight ratings, but I wouldn't less than a class 4 hitch, the "V8" hitch is a class 5 hitch.

    That being said....do a search for "Weight Distributing Hitch" and the results will not be the hitch bolted to the vehicle....it will be a device bolted to the trailer and attaches to the ball on the vehicle's bolted on hitch.

    https://www.google.com/search?q="Weight+Distributing+Hitch"&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1069US1069&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2024
    RumHamRunner73 likes this.
  5. Jul 15, 2024 at 6:11 PM
    #5
    Thatbassguy

    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2019
    Member:
    #9314
    Messages:
    13,696
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    James
    S/E Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2019 TRDORP, KDSS, MGM
    RSG sliders, Yakima offgrid basket, Pro-Comp wheels, SOS Streamline bumper and skids, Warn VR EVO10S winch + Ultimate Sidewinder, Bilstein 6112 + 5100 + rear lift coils, Rigid Dually SS ditch lights w/Caliraised brackets and OEM style dash switch
    I'm still trying to understand how a bracket bolted to the frame would be stronger than the frame itself. The rear frame cross member is way more beefy than any of those aftermarket hitches, IMO.
     
    Strongarm likes this.
  6. Aug 19, 2024 at 9:20 AM
    #6
    Eubeenhadd

    Eubeenhadd Bit of a derp

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2023
    Member:
    #34792
    Messages:
    55
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Nick
    Indianapolis
    Vehicle:
    2005 T4R 4.7 AWD
    Spartan Locker, OME 885/895w/stiff Nitrochargers, 265/70R17 Encounter AT
    It's all about the loads and torque applied. The "V6" hitch receiver lacks leverage against the frame, so it's not up to weight distribution hitch loads. The "V8" hitch receiver is much more beefy and can handle the greater twisting loads of a weight distribution hitch.
     
  7. Aug 19, 2024 at 9:22 AM
    #7
    Eubeenhadd

    Eubeenhadd Bit of a derp

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2023
    Member:
    #34792
    Messages:
    55
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Nick
    Indianapolis
    Vehicle:
    2005 T4R 4.7 AWD
    Spartan Locker, OME 885/895w/stiff Nitrochargers, 265/70R17 Encounter AT
    [​IMG]

    "V6" Hitch, note it's got a tiny footprint and the whole member is subject to twisting by the hitch.

    [​IMG]

    "V8" Hitch receiver, note the wings that distribute twisting from the crossmember to the frame rails directly, PLUS the mount to the V6 hitch location as well.
     
    Thatbassguy likes this.
  8. Aug 19, 2024 at 11:43 AM
    #8
    RichInKy

    RichInKy New Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2024
    Member:
    #40557
    Messages:
    57
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Vehicle:
    2004 4Runner V8
    I pull a 23' Airstream travel trailer, rated up to 6500 lbs. with my '04 V8, rated for 7,000 towing and 700 hitch capacity. Normally when you talk about the "hitch" it is both the receiver (bolted or welded to the vehicle frame or bumper) and the hitch with ball. I have always heard the first one called a "frame" hitch, the second a "bumper" hitch. Bumper hitches (which may be bolted or welded to the cross member also) place all of the trailer's tongue weight on the rear of the vehicle. A frame hitch will distribute some of the weight to the back portion of the vehicle's suspension as well as the rear but not the front axle. It does provide a more secure connection because (typically) it's bolted/welded to 4 points on the vehicle.

    I use an Equalizer weight distributing (WD) hitch, that inserts into the receiver. Attached to the WD hitch are spring arms that are connected to L brackets on the A-frame of the trailer. You connect the A-frame coupler to the hitch ball and lock it. Then you use the trailer's A-frame jack to raise the trailer and car until you can slide the spring arms onto the L brackets. You put the lock pins into the L brackets then lower the trailer and car. This has the effect of lifting the rear of the vehicle to place weight on the front axle while also putting weight back onto the trailer A-frame. I think of it as lifting a wheelbarrow. When you lift the 2 arms you shift some of the barrow's weight to the tire and your arms.

    A WD hitch will not increase a vehicle's capacities for towing. It will shift weight off the hitch/rear axle to the front axle and trailer A-frame, which offsets the full load being on the rear of the tow vehicle. Most WD hitches also offer sway control with the WD capability.

    Equalizer Hitch explanation small.jpg Equalizer hitch shank and head-side view.jpg L-Bracket and spring arm.jpg
     
    djwantke, NeverTooLate71 and AuSeeker like this.
  9. Aug 19, 2024 at 9:25 PM
    #9
    NeverTooLate71

    NeverTooLate71 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2024
    Member:
    #41063
    Messages:
    412
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bob
    Vehicle:
    2024 4Runner SR5
    So what you are saying is the 5th generation 4Runner cannot handle/use a Weight Distribution Hitch?
     
  10. Aug 20, 2024 at 6:20 AM
    #10
    RichInKy

    RichInKy New Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2024
    Member:
    #40557
    Messages:
    57
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Vehicle:
    2004 4Runner V8
    No, sorry if I confused you. The WD hitch is a hitch you buy and put into the receiver on the 5th gen T4R. It's not factory installed. I believe what you're thinking of is the frame hitch (receiver) that you should have, if you opted for the towing package. Was there an option for a towing package in the 5th gen? What's your max towing capacity?

    Your Jayco is single axle so you would benefit from having sway control. Whatever WD hitch you get make sure there is sway control with it.
     
  11. Aug 20, 2024 at 9:16 PM
    #11
    NeverTooLate71

    NeverTooLate71 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2024
    Member:
    #41063
    Messages:
    412
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Bob
    Vehicle:
    2024 4Runner SR5
    Still on a learning curve with my 2024 4Runner SR5. I only took a hard look today if I had a full sized spare tire! I used to have a 2020 Jayco 154BH Baja Travel Trailer. Now I have a 2016 Minnie Winnie 22R
    Class B RV. I am contemplating going back to a small travel trailer? A Weight Distribution Hitch is a must! Stock hitch set up on my 4Runner looks a little "weak" compared to the hitch on my old 2016 Tacoma TRD OffRoad?
     
  12. Aug 21, 2024 at 6:42 AM
    #12
    RichInKy

    RichInKy New Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2024
    Member:
    #40557
    Messages:
    57
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Vehicle:
    2004 4Runner V8
    A quick Google shows the 2024 4Runner has 270 HP, 278 ft lbs. torque, 5,000 lbs. towing capacity 16 city, 19 hwy MPG, V6 4 L, 5 speed auto. The towing package is standard so you should be able to install a WD hitch into the receiver without any trouble. Does the trailer have electric or surge braking?
     
  13. Nov 2, 2024 at 10:19 AM
    #13
    like2lean

    like2lean New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2023
    Member:
    #33982
    Messages:
    126
    Gender:
    Male
    I've read several posts on some trailer forums that Toyota doesn't recommend using WD hitches on 5th gen 4R because of the additional twisting forces applied to the bolt-on receiver bracket, but I can't find anything about it in my manual just that they do recommend antisway. Anyone heard of this before?
     
  14. Nov 2, 2024 at 11:08 AM
    #14
    Nubes

    Nubes Toyota Addict

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2022
    Member:
    #30260
    Messages:
    198
    Gender:
    Male
    TX
    Vehicle:
    2023 ORP
    I came across this thread when doing my research about weight distribution hitches, scroll down to post 310:
     
    AuSeeker likes this.
  15. Nov 2, 2024 at 11:58 AM
    #15
    like2lean

    like2lean New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2023
    Member:
    #33982
    Messages:
    126
    Gender:
    Male
    Thank you for that!
     
    Nubes likes this.
To Top