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42 in 120w led lightbar fuse

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by morfdq, Dec 24, 2023.

  1. Dec 24, 2023 at 12:09 PM
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    Put in a 42 in light bar and wired it to an auxbeam 8 panel box. The light is 40 3 watt lights so 120 w total. According to the math I was taught it’s watts/volts = fuse size so 120w/12 volts would be a 10 amp fuse. I used 14awg wiring as well. The fuse keeps popping. I moved up to a 15 amp fuse and it seems to be fine. Should I have any concerns with a 15 amp fuse? Thank you and merry Christmas
     
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    Do you have a clamp on amp meter that you can use to double check? Math looks right, how long of a run is the wire? Are you working off a relay or a switch, Not familiar with that exact panel box.
     
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    Make sure you use a relay. Most switches are rated for a very small load.
     
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    The fuse is intended to protect the wiring from catching on fire in case of a short, not the load. According to this Bluesea chart, 15 amp fuse is acceptable for 14 awg wiring up to 20 ft: http://assets.bluesea.com/files/resources/newsletter/images/DC_wire_selection_chartlg.jpg
     
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    120W on a 42” light bar seems low. Have a link to the bar?
     
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    ^Well it keeps blowing 10A fuses but works with 15A fuses, so we know it's drawing somewhere between 120W and 180W :laugh:
     
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    Thanks everyone. Here is an update. So the auxbeam “control module” has a relay and slots for fuses. I mounted it on the drivers side fender towards the firewall. So the wiring run is maybe 4 feet. Literally out of the hood, up the side of windshield and to the light bar on the crestone roof rack. Here is the crazy part. I emailed the lightbar manufacturer and they said to use a 20 amp fuse. I don’t buy that. I think a 20 amp is too big. I put the 15 in and it appears to be fine. I also have six other lights on the truck that are working flawlessly - each on their own fuse and switch.
     
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    Good point. My 20" Rigid SR draws 132 watts.
     
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    So I do have one. Didn’t even think about that. Thank you I’ll go do that
     
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    There might be a surge at startup. I'd go by what the manufacturer says.
     
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    There are 40 leds and according to the manufacturer it’s 120 watts. 3 watts per led.
     
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    20A fuse is also acceptable per the Bluesea chart given the short run. However, the chart is correct only for good quality stranded copper wire. If you are using copper-clad-aluminum wire (as is often found on Amazon), the current capacity is cut by half.
     
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    One critical piece I left out was a 20 amp fried the led lightbar. Of course it happens in the Florida Everglades on a really remote road. So a 20 amp fried the light bar and a 10 amp popped the fuse. That’s where I thought ok. Maybe a 15 amp is the sweet spot. I just went out and checked it. Working fine.
     
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    A bigger fuse won't fry the light bar. Fuses don't control how much current a device draws. They just blow when they're overloaded. If the bar failed on a 20 amp fuse, something else was wrong. As @3JOH22A mentioned, the fuse only protects the wiring from being overloaded or in the event of a short.
     
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    Why so cagey with who manufactured the light bar?

    I’ve got a 10” Rigid bar that pulls 98W and a Diode Dynamics 12” bar that pulls 60W. Listing the manufacturer or linking it would help
     
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    Carry some spare fuses and give it a go. As a previous poster stated, fuses/circuit breakers are intended to protect the wiring, not the device.
     
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    It is llas
    thank you all. And Merry Christmas. This is. Lasfit 42 in LED bar. Yeah I have some spare 10,15,20 fuses.
     
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    A fuse will only carry 80% of its rating continuously. Your 10 A fuse was too small. The National Electrical Code allows you to fuse for the wire feeding the load. #14 AWG is fine fused at 15 A. That's the max ampacity of #14 AWG wire.

    You had the wrong fuse in there @ 10 A for a 10 A load. A 15 A fuse will continuously carry 12 A.

    In this engineer's, and 4Runner Aficionado's opinion you are golden... Enjoy!!!
     
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    Perfect. Thank you!
     

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